tunaplanet 0 #1 November 28, 2003 Sad to say (or is it), but I just last night watched the movie Drop Zone with Wesley Snipes. Boy, I sure am glad they hired a skydiving consultant or that movie would have been so unrealistic. /sarcasm off Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BBKid 0 #2 November 29, 2003 You mean you weren't doing night demos after three jumps? Nick --------------------------- "I've pierced my foot on a spike!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scottjaco 0 #3 November 29, 2003 I love Wesley Snipes first Tandem jump in that movie. The trap door in the cesna, do they actually have planes like that? I wonder if it would be possible to dump somebody out of a plane (wearing only the tandem harness) then have the Tandem Master re-hook all four connectors and deploy before impact? sounds like a great stunt!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #4 November 29, 2003 QuoteI love Wesley Snipes first Tandem jump in that movie. The trap door in the cesna, do they actually have planes like that? I wonder if it would be possible to dump somebody out of a plane (wearing only the tandem harness) then have the Tandem Master re-hook all four connectors and deploy before impact? sounds like a great stunt!! It was a porter. I've made many jumps from that plane. I think that someone crashed it though. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scottjaco 0 #5 November 29, 2003 Did they ever do exits through the trap door? Who got to pull the handle? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #6 November 29, 2003 QuoteDid they ever do exits through the trap door? Who got to pull the handle? We never used the trap door. It was inoperable when we leased it. I believe that it belonged to freefall express. I do like the big side door on it though. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyDave 0 #7 November 29, 2003 QuoteQuoteDid they ever do exits through the trap door? Who got to pull the handle? We never used the trap door. It was inoperable when we leased it. I believe that it belonged to freefall express. I do like the big side door on it though. the door would be ace! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #8 November 29, 2003 QuoteThe trap door in the cesna, do they actually have planes like that? There is a "trap door" in every porter, most are covered up because it limits the number of jumpers you can carry. The door is small, so only thin people could use it. As for dumping someone out of the plane with only a tandem harness, it does indeed sound like a great stunt, but no more farfetched then people jumping "chuteless"__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mush 0 #9 November 29, 2003 Haven't heard of anyone jumping chutless yet, now this would be great, if someone would jump without a chute, try to get in a plane & had a couple of dudes holding his rig just in case he missed his target & helped him to re-attach. That would be cool Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #10 November 29, 2003 QuoteHaven't heard of anyone jumping chutless yet, now this would be great, if someone would jump without a chute, try to get in a plane & had a couple of dudes holding his rig just in case he missed his target & helped him to re-attach. That would be cool ...........For SURE.... It's been done....I think twice... Rod Pack,,, and maybe Bill Cole,, ( not sure of name)...I saw the film/video...of Rod Packs' ..seems to me it was from the early 70's or so.. The chuteless jumper,, didn't fly into a plane.... he freefell with webbing straps,, running up the outside of his sleeves... He was wearing a harness,,,, the webbing straps, had D rings which he held in his hands.... A fellow jumper,, or maybe two,,,, exited with him... holding in their hands,,,,,an old style,, chest mount reserve container with a 26 or maybe 28 foot round canopy... A pair of Butterfly snaps ,,, were sticking out ,, so that they were obvious and visible...The Chuteless Jumper and the container holder flew together to a basic two way,,, and the chuteless jumper clipped the rings onto the container.. The webbing straps were naturally.. intregal to his harness........ I don't remember who pulled the ripcord,,,,,, maybe the "holder"... but It seems to me it was done in the 70's and I am sure I saw a video/ film of it...... A fairly tricky stunt,, but with a few practice dives ,,, adequate altitude, and maybe back up "snaps points,, " on the camera crew and even another chute holder,,,,It was a unique skydive which was able to be accomplished.. The trick was to have him IN a harness.. It would be difficult IMHO, to try to don a rig, and connect the leg and chest straps,, while in freefall,,,, possible maybe.. .. Can anyone corroborate this story,, or any details of any other "chuteless" jumps??? jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 0 #11 November 29, 2003 It was the infamous pink porter named "The Crazy Flamingo" that was used in the movie "Dropzone", for quite awhile it was based here at Goldcost skydivers back in 97. Yes it had the trapdoor and yes we used to do trapdoor drops, you'd sit on the door and hug your knees, then bombs away! It got sent out to Texas somewhere and had a little accident on landing one day... Something about ripping the landing gear out or something like that, not good to say the least. ChileRelleno-Rodriguez Bro#414 Hellfish#511,MuffBro#3532,AnvilBro#9, D24868 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #12 November 29, 2003 QuoteI think twice... Rod Pack,,, and maybe Bill Cole Bill Cole is here on dz.com. Appropriately, his username is 'chuteless'. A search for his posts will reveal all the details of his jumps. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #13 November 29, 2003 Here's the thread I was thinking about: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=519808 _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleBadger 0 #14 November 29, 2003 Course you can hook up a tandem in freefall... Charlies Angles opening scene, where Drew Barymoore manhandles the guy with the bomb out the airliner door, removes the bomb with the help off Lucy Lui who jumps out a chopper in order to meet them in freefall. Then after falling away from the explosion, rig up the tandem to open and then land on a neat little speedboat and heck, they ain't even full time TM's Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #15 November 29, 2003 And don't forget Point Break where they freefall for 5 minutes, talking to each other the entire time. Must have been the same skydiving consultant from Drop Zone. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ifics 0 #16 November 29, 2003 QuoteI think that someone crashed it though. I think its landing gear got screwed and went down on its nose which in turn destroyed the props. 2nd hand info here though... I did get to see it at SDH before the accident, I was coming in for my landing and I remember being caught off guard when I saw the paint job Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mush 0 #17 November 29, 2003 Hey AndyMan COOOOOL Link Loads of cool stuff there if you look in the right places, opened my eyes some. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nightjumps 1 #18 November 29, 2003 QuoteI think twice... Rod Pack,,, and maybe Bill Cole,, Dar Robinson did one also. He jumped from one plane to another (pointed down with a drogue) without a chute on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kramer 0 #19 November 30, 2003 QuoteI wonder if it would be possible to dump somebody out of a plane (wearing only the tandem harness) then have the Tandem Master re-hook all four connectors and deploy before impact? sounds like a great stunt!! No kidding...someone go try it. (Shotgun not me). -Kramer The FAKE KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #20 December 1, 2003 QuoteSad to say (or is it), but I just last night watched the movie Drop Zone with Wesley Snipes. Boy, I sure am glad they hired a skydiving consultant or that movie would have been so unrealistic. /sarcasm off You can't blame the skydiving consultant for serious inaccuracies in the skydiving scenes. A skydiving consultant can't change the script, much less plot points, to make the skydiving scenes more realistic. A skydiving consultant is only as effective as the writer and director he's working with. He can point out that a terminal Mr. Bill would never work or that you can't talk in free fall or that you can't free fall for three minutes from 10,000,' but if the director thinks it will look cool on screen and that the general public will buy it, he's probably going to dismiss the consultant's suggestion and stick with the script the way it is. Without skydiving consultants, the skydiving on the screen wouldn't even resemble real skydiving, but skydiving consultants are limited in their power. --Douva D-22772I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #21 December 1, 2003 >Boy, I sure am glad they hired a skydiving consultant or that movie >would have been so unrealistic. Guy Manos wrote "Drop Zone." He's a pretty well known skydiver. A lot of people who see "Drop Zone" for the first time laugh at all the stupid stuff - a guy with 2 jumps doing a 4-way! Someone who jumps out of a plane without a rig! A skydiving plane used to help drug smugglers! Then after you're around skydiving for a while you meet Bill Coe, who did jump without a parachute. You meet a pilot who was busted for flying cocaine in the King Air. You hear all kinds of scandals - one DZO convicted of selling drugs, another under suspicion of murder. You see a pilot with 3 jumps taken on a 10-way and have to land with a dislocated shoulder after a nasty funnel, and you see a cop with 5 jumps having a mal while jumping from a 727. You talk to people at bridge day who are doing their first BASE jump with no (that's zero) skydiving experience - and they live. You watch as the pilot of your airplane tries to tap his main gear on the roof of a buddy's car as he's driving home. You get asked to do a demo, and they drop you a mile or so from the "real" demo at a bar you've never heard of because the NOTAM says it's that bar but the other guys want to jump into a different bar. And a movie like Drop Zone doesn't seem as absurd any more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #22 December 1, 2003 The movie was laughable. Period. Then again, very few movies that have skydiving in it are realistic. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #23 December 1, 2003 QuoteThe movie was laughable. Period. Then again, very few movies that have skydiving in it are realistic. Whenever I say that, my roommate turns to me and says "It's just a movie..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoudDan 0 #24 December 1, 2003 For the most realistic skydiving ever, see "Reign of Fire" 90 seconds or so from 5000 feet, I gotta learn how to do that. Coming soon to a bowl of Wheaties near you!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #25 December 1, 2003 Quote Guy Manos wrote "Drop Zone." He's a pretty well known skydiver. Guy Manos received a "story" credit for "Drop Zone" but not "screenplay" credit (the "screenplay" credit went to two other writers). Generally, a "story" credit means that person's input ranges somewhere from a basic pitch ("A federal agent must infiltrate the skydiving world to track a group of criminals who plan to use a skydiving competition in Washington D.C. to jump into restricted airspace and break into government buildings") to a detailed treatment, or plot synopsis. Whether Manos came up with a lot of the hokey stuff is hard to say (though he very well may have--everybody gets sucked into the "it'll be more dramatic" mindset eventually). It's also possible for a director to "hokey" up a serious script, and it's possible for an editor to "hokey" up footage that was supposed to seem realistic when it was shot (i.e., extending a skydiving scene much longer than any real skydive could last). It's Hollywood. Blue skies, Douva D-22772I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
