popeyefireman 0 #1 December 10, 2003 I never did AFF. I did the old Static line thing. My question is: on the first jump what happens? I know you fall with two oter guys, but are they always holding on to you, or do they let go if you are holding a good arch, and look stable. I have a friend that is asking me, and i couldnt give him a answer. I am going to look in SIM tonight, but I know that isn't always what happens. Fill me in please. Adam "I Yam what I Yam" I am not afriad to die, only to die without living. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #2 December 10, 2003 QuoteI never did AFF. I did the old Static line thing. My question is: on the first jump what happens? I know you fall with two oter guys, but are they always holding on to you, or do they let go if you are holding a good arch, and look stable. I have a friend that is asking me, and i couldnt give him a answer. I am going to look in SIM tonight, but I know that isn't always what happens. Fill me in please. They do not let you go on AFF1 where I did AFF, not until level 3. Angela. Adam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #3 December 10, 2003 Standard AFF LVL 1 is heading, altitude left JM, right JM, 3 handle touches, heading/altitude till 6,000 feet, 5,500 w/o and pull. I have let go of a hand full of Level 1’s (5-6), but not many and was never more than arms reach away. They never knew I let go, because to their view, I never moved. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #4 December 10, 2003 In the AFF course I did, even if you were stable and had an AWESOME arch, they didn't completely let go of you til level 4. On level 4, you had only 1 JM, and if you were stable, they moved from your side to in front of you, keeping hold, and then, if you're still stable, they let go, and your job was to just fall in place looking at their altimeter and shouting the altitude, and waving and pulling at 5. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jsaxton 0 #5 December 10, 2003 Check Left Check Right Ready, Set, Go Arch 1000, Arch 2000, Arch 3000, Arch 4000 Heading, Altimeter Check Left Check Right Heading, Altimeter Arch, Reach, Touch Heading, Altimeter Arch, Reach, Touch Heading, Altimeter Arch, Reach, Touch Heading, Altimeter Check Left Check Right Maintain Altitude and Heading Awareness until 6000' At 6000' lock on to Altimeter Wave off at 5500' Arch, Reach, Throw Check over shoulders for deployment Start counting Is it big and square? It it flying straight? Is the slider more than half way down? Clear line twists if necessary Pump the slider down if necessary Flare the end cells open if necessary Flare, left turn, right turn Decide it I want to land this canopy by 2500' Hold upwind and play around until ready to enter the pattern. Be sure to do some practice flares. Fly the pattern, no big turns once on final. Fly in full flight until ready to flare. Pick up the equipment and return to the hanger. At least that's what we teach. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YahooLV 0 #6 December 10, 2003 QuoteCheck Left Check Right Ready, Set, Go Arch 1000, Arch 2000, Arch 3000, Arch 4000 Heading, Altimeter Check Left Check Right Heading, Altimeter Arch, Reach, Touch Heading, Altimeter Arch, Reach, Touch Heading, Altimeter Arch, Reach, Touch Heading, Altimeter Check Left Check Right Maintain Altitude and Heading Awareness until 6000' At 6000' lock on to Altimeter Wave off at 5500' Arch, Reach, Throw-LET GO!!!!!!! ( I hate it when they forget that part) Check over shoulders for deployment Start counting Is it big and square? It it flying straight? Is the slider more than half way down? Clear line twists if necessary Pump the slider down if necessary Flare the end cells open if necessary Flare, left turn, right turn Decide it I want to land this canopy by 2500' Hold upwind and play around until ready to enter the pattern. Be sure to do some practice flares. Fly the pattern, no big turns once on final. Fly in full flight until ready to flare. Pick up the equipment and return to the hanger. At least that's what we teach.http://www.curtisglennphotography.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyyhi 0 #7 December 10, 2003 Here's a clicky for you to the AFF program done at Elsinore. . .I think it is pretty much the same everywhere. . .the animated skydive videos are a hoot to watch. . . http://www.skydiveelsinore.com/jumpstart/index.html________________________________________ Take risks not to escape life… but to prevent life from escaping. ~ A bumper sticker at the DZ FGF #6 Darcy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #8 December 10, 2003 Strange course. The point of Level 3 was the release so you could be cleared for one jumpmaster. Of course, now, they'll likely change it every couple years. Aren't they using letters now? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #9 December 10, 2003 on my level 3, I had 2 JMs, and it was the reserve side only that released. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
batbex 0 #10 December 10, 2003 on my level 2 I was released by both for half a split second and was very excited about it when I watched the video on the ground. level 3 wasn't let go for much longer and level 4 - he wished he hadn't let me go - you really need to watch it, nearly as good as when I do a float exit and get blown off the side of the plane good times Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sdgregory 0 #11 December 11, 2003 At AerOhio they completely release you on level three once you are stable and only redock if you become unstable. My instructors had a particularly nasty suprise when they did my Level 3. I was stable and they let go and caught them off guard when I dropped 500 below them in a matter of 1-2 seconds. It was not until after I graduated and got my A lisence that one of them said. You remember your level 3? We screwed up. It was our job to stay with you but you fell so fast it caught us completely by surprise. Glad they did not tell me on my debrief, that would have been a scary level 4. Our Level one is pretty much them same as everyone elses. Arch, Altitude, Legs Relax Check Left, Check Right, 3 practice touches. Continue circle of awareness until 6000 lock on, 5500 wave off, sweep, pull, throw, count to 5 and check. Is it there, square and steerable? Decision altitude 2500. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Luminous 0 #12 December 11, 2003 QuoteAt 6000' lock on to Altimeter I don't know where this came from but I think it sucks. Why would you want to stare at an altimeter for the last 3 (approx) seconds of a skydive? Are you going to stop falling, or fall faster, if you don't "lock on" ? No, it's going to take the same amount of time if your "locked on" or not and IMO, they're spending way to much to watch the needle move. You might as well have them wave off at 6000. 6000 feet, chin up, deep breath, Wave off, ART. Can you tell that's a peeve? BSBD Larry'In an insane society a sane person seems insane.' Mr. Spock Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyyhi 0 #13 December 11, 2003 Larry, as one who HATES when the freefall part of the skydive comes to an end, I can vouch for hating the lock on at 6000. Geez, especially now that I don't pull until 4000. . .that is 2000 feet that I watch my alti. . .CAN SOMEONE SAY BORING. . .at least I only have 4 more AFF jumps and then I am solo. . . Maybe I can get a couple seconds more freefall time for fun stuff. . .lol!________________________________________ Take risks not to escape life… but to prevent life from escaping. ~ A bumper sticker at the DZ FGF #6 Darcy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #14 December 11, 2003 It's probably because the instructors aren't sure how well you're internal clock will be working at that point and want to make sure you are actually seeing the altitude, not just the altimiter. That being said, I'm almost positive that the chipping I had during AFF right before pull time was directly caused by getting nervous while staring at that altimeter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Auryn 0 #15 December 12, 2003 QuoteLarry, as one who HATES when the freefall part of the skydive comes to an end, I can vouch for hating the lock on at 6000. Geez, especially now that I don't pull until 4000. . .that is 2000 feet that I watch my alti. . .CAN SOMEONE SAY BORING. . .at least I only have 4 more AFF jumps and then I am solo. . . Maybe I can get a couple seconds more freefall time for fun stuff. . .lol! The reason for this might very well be something bigger than just staring at your alti for 10 seconds.. seeing that hand move and feeling the time pass by is the beginning of learning "natural" altitude awareness.. at which point you can safely use your alti as a brief reference, and everything else going on around you (time, the ground) as your primary altitude awareness. It isn't there to waste your time, it is there to teach you to begin to "feel" altitude loss in freefall. AFF primarily isn't about fun (although it is) it is primarily about learning. Blue Ones ! D 27808 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites clousseauMinnie 0 #16 December 15, 2003 Same thing happened to me on L4 - the video (mounted on my JM's helmet) is a hoot, seeing myself practically disappear against the background of the landscape. I didn't realise what had happened until I saw the video. I just did a full 360 instead of my 90 deg task turn, looking for my Jm, who managed to catch up with me by sitting just about when I deciced to stop looking and pulled, a little below the sceduled altitude but with lots of time to spare. It was a great jump, because I realised afterwards that I had really been on my own for a while. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
sdgregory 0 #11 December 11, 2003 At AerOhio they completely release you on level three once you are stable and only redock if you become unstable. My instructors had a particularly nasty suprise when they did my Level 3. I was stable and they let go and caught them off guard when I dropped 500 below them in a matter of 1-2 seconds. It was not until after I graduated and got my A lisence that one of them said. You remember your level 3? We screwed up. It was our job to stay with you but you fell so fast it caught us completely by surprise. Glad they did not tell me on my debrief, that would have been a scary level 4. Our Level one is pretty much them same as everyone elses. Arch, Altitude, Legs Relax Check Left, Check Right, 3 practice touches. Continue circle of awareness until 6000 lock on, 5500 wave off, sweep, pull, throw, count to 5 and check. Is it there, square and steerable? Decision altitude 2500. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luminous 0 #12 December 11, 2003 QuoteAt 6000' lock on to Altimeter I don't know where this came from but I think it sucks. Why would you want to stare at an altimeter for the last 3 (approx) seconds of a skydive? Are you going to stop falling, or fall faster, if you don't "lock on" ? No, it's going to take the same amount of time if your "locked on" or not and IMO, they're spending way to much to watch the needle move. You might as well have them wave off at 6000. 6000 feet, chin up, deep breath, Wave off, ART. Can you tell that's a peeve? BSBD Larry'In an insane society a sane person seems insane.' Mr. Spock Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyyhi 0 #13 December 11, 2003 Larry, as one who HATES when the freefall part of the skydive comes to an end, I can vouch for hating the lock on at 6000. Geez, especially now that I don't pull until 4000. . .that is 2000 feet that I watch my alti. . .CAN SOMEONE SAY BORING. . .at least I only have 4 more AFF jumps and then I am solo. . . Maybe I can get a couple seconds more freefall time for fun stuff. . .lol!________________________________________ Take risks not to escape life… but to prevent life from escaping. ~ A bumper sticker at the DZ FGF #6 Darcy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #14 December 11, 2003 It's probably because the instructors aren't sure how well you're internal clock will be working at that point and want to make sure you are actually seeing the altitude, not just the altimiter. That being said, I'm almost positive that the chipping I had during AFF right before pull time was directly caused by getting nervous while staring at that altimeter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auryn 0 #15 December 12, 2003 QuoteLarry, as one who HATES when the freefall part of the skydive comes to an end, I can vouch for hating the lock on at 6000. Geez, especially now that I don't pull until 4000. . .that is 2000 feet that I watch my alti. . .CAN SOMEONE SAY BORING. . .at least I only have 4 more AFF jumps and then I am solo. . . Maybe I can get a couple seconds more freefall time for fun stuff. . .lol! The reason for this might very well be something bigger than just staring at your alti for 10 seconds.. seeing that hand move and feeling the time pass by is the beginning of learning "natural" altitude awareness.. at which point you can safely use your alti as a brief reference, and everything else going on around you (time, the ground) as your primary altitude awareness. It isn't there to waste your time, it is there to teach you to begin to "feel" altitude loss in freefall. AFF primarily isn't about fun (although it is) it is primarily about learning. Blue Ones ! D 27808 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clousseauMinnie 0 #16 December 15, 2003 Same thing happened to me on L4 - the video (mounted on my JM's helmet) is a hoot, seeing myself practically disappear against the background of the landscape. I didn't realise what had happened until I saw the video. I just did a full 360 instead of my 90 deg task turn, looking for my Jm, who managed to catch up with me by sitting just about when I deciced to stop looking and pulled, a little below the sceduled altitude but with lots of time to spare. It was a great jump, because I realised afterwards that I had really been on my own for a while. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
