shawnstarr 0 #1 December 22, 2003 i'm visiting my uncle for winterbreak. he lives on a small island in the san juans in Washington. its really remote with lots of open fields. he owns a few planes. this gets me to thinkin about one thing. what are the laws regarding this? would he get in trouble if i were to lets say accidently fall out of his plane with my rig on .------------------------------------------------ 'I refuse to tiptoe quitely through life only to arrive safely at death' Anon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 December 22, 2003 Permission to land on the property and notification to the FAA of intention to jump -- that's about it. See FAR 105. No real need to "accidentally" fall out since it's pretty freekin' easy to just follow the rules. I'd be more worried about the safety aspects of making the jump rather than the legal ones.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jejejelle 0 #3 December 22, 2003 can i come too to find out what will happen ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites judedre 0 #4 December 22, 2003 done it many times its great fun take the door off if ya can makes things easier this is whats known as a bandit jump weve done a few over the beach here at night fun as hell if nobody knows and its in a remote area then u cant really get in trouble legaly wise the pilot could loose his lisence u could say the engin quit he suggested you get out anyway have fun be safe check out the landin areas first ( power lines ditches n stuff) let us know how it goes dre Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites panzwami 0 #5 December 22, 2003 I'm pretty sure if he owns the airplane and the land, and gives his permission to use the land as a DZ, I think you're ok. 'Course, you'll want to check with the FAA and read the FAR's to make sure there's not something else involved here. Note: I don't work for the FAA, nor do I have any idea what I'm talking about, so don't listen to a single word of it. Matt ----- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #6 December 22, 2003 Even with all of that, you still -must- contact the FAA. Depending on exactly what airspace the skydiver will be falling through, this could just be a simple phone call 60 minutes prior to exit.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites judedre 0 #7 December 22, 2003 can u put the phone number that we call? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #8 December 22, 2003 Again, it depends on the airspace. BTW, it's the pilot's responsibility to do this, so he should read FAR 105 and look it up on a chart. -Should- be trivial for the pilot to understand.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DJL 235 #9 December 22, 2003 Quotedone it many times its great fun take the door off if ya can makes things easier this is whats known as a bandit jump weve done a few over the beach here at night fun as hell if nobody knows and its in a remote area then u cant really get in trouble legaly wise the pilot could loose his lisence u could say the engin quit he suggested you get out anyway have fun be safe check out the landin areas first ( power lines ditches n stuff) let us know how it goes dre Dear dre, I think your comma and period keys are broken. Please call the IT desk. Oh, and shawnstarr, go for it; have fun. Regards,"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NZL60 0 #10 December 22, 2003 Does the pilot need to have a commercial license or is that only required if you're taking "fare" paying passengers? Also, if the FAA clears it, can the pilot sign the log book and the jump "counts" ? Who said Kiwis can't fly? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #11 December 22, 2003 Quote Does the pilot need to have a commercial license or is that only required if you're taking "fare" paying passengers? Grey area. (and this analysis ONLY applies to the U.S.) If it's a family member taking you up for a few fun jumps and no money changes hands, then clearly no issue with the pilot only holding a private pilot certificate. (Actually, a small amount of money, split evenly between the skydiver and the pilot to cover operating expenses could be done and still remain a private operation.) If you start up some sort of regular operation letting it be known that the operation will take random people to altitude and even if you call it a "club", then there is potential the FAA would want the pilot to have a commecial certificate even if no money is changing hands. The FAA has ruled in the past in a similar case of glider tow pilots that the pilot IS receiving compensation in the form of loggable hours and experience. Obviously, if any sort of jump ticket is involved it becomes a commercial enterprise and would require the pilot to hold a commercial certificate.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EDYDO 0 #12 December 23, 2003 I just received a letter from an FAA Inspector saying that in spite of the regulation saying that a NOTAM must be posted at least 1 hour before and not more than 24 hours before the jump, they now need 3 days notice and activation 1 hour before the jump. He cites something about 9-11. 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judedre 0 #4 December 22, 2003 done it many times its great fun take the door off if ya can makes things easier this is whats known as a bandit jump weve done a few over the beach here at night fun as hell if nobody knows and its in a remote area then u cant really get in trouble legaly wise the pilot could loose his lisence u could say the engin quit he suggested you get out anyway have fun be safe check out the landin areas first ( power lines ditches n stuff) let us know how it goes dre Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
panzwami 0 #5 December 22, 2003 I'm pretty sure if he owns the airplane and the land, and gives his permission to use the land as a DZ, I think you're ok. 'Course, you'll want to check with the FAA and read the FAR's to make sure there's not something else involved here. Note: I don't work for the FAA, nor do I have any idea what I'm talking about, so don't listen to a single word of it. Matt ----- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #6 December 22, 2003 Even with all of that, you still -must- contact the FAA. Depending on exactly what airspace the skydiver will be falling through, this could just be a simple phone call 60 minutes prior to exit.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
judedre 0 #7 December 22, 2003 can u put the phone number that we call? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 December 22, 2003 Again, it depends on the airspace. BTW, it's the pilot's responsibility to do this, so he should read FAR 105 and look it up on a chart. -Should- be trivial for the pilot to understand.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #9 December 22, 2003 Quotedone it many times its great fun take the door off if ya can makes things easier this is whats known as a bandit jump weve done a few over the beach here at night fun as hell if nobody knows and its in a remote area then u cant really get in trouble legaly wise the pilot could loose his lisence u could say the engin quit he suggested you get out anyway have fun be safe check out the landin areas first ( power lines ditches n stuff) let us know how it goes dre Dear dre, I think your comma and period keys are broken. Please call the IT desk. Oh, and shawnstarr, go for it; have fun. Regards,"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NZL60 0 #10 December 22, 2003 Does the pilot need to have a commercial license or is that only required if you're taking "fare" paying passengers? Also, if the FAA clears it, can the pilot sign the log book and the jump "counts" ? Who said Kiwis can't fly? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #11 December 22, 2003 Quote Does the pilot need to have a commercial license or is that only required if you're taking "fare" paying passengers? Grey area. (and this analysis ONLY applies to the U.S.) If it's a family member taking you up for a few fun jumps and no money changes hands, then clearly no issue with the pilot only holding a private pilot certificate. (Actually, a small amount of money, split evenly between the skydiver and the pilot to cover operating expenses could be done and still remain a private operation.) If you start up some sort of regular operation letting it be known that the operation will take random people to altitude and even if you call it a "club", then there is potential the FAA would want the pilot to have a commecial certificate even if no money is changing hands. The FAA has ruled in the past in a similar case of glider tow pilots that the pilot IS receiving compensation in the form of loggable hours and experience. Obviously, if any sort of jump ticket is involved it becomes a commercial enterprise and would require the pilot to hold a commercial certificate.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EDYDO 0 #12 December 23, 2003 I just received a letter from an FAA Inspector saying that in spite of the regulation saying that a NOTAM must be posted at least 1 hour before and not more than 24 hours before the jump, they now need 3 days notice and activation 1 hour before the jump. He cites something about 9-11. How can we follow the regs if they aren't current? Ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
