Sheenster303 0 #1 December 27, 2003 I've been reading around the forum for a little while and I'm still unsure as to what exactly a PLF is. I'm sure it's been explained in earlier posts, but I can't find the exact explanation of it. Sorry if this is a stupid question. Could someone help me out and explain what it is? Thanks! (This is 300th post! YIPPIE! I'm an old hand!)I'm so funny I crack my head open! P.M.S. #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #2 December 27, 2003 Parachute Landing Fall. Should be taught in your first jump course; was your jump a tandem? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheenster303 0 #3 December 27, 2003 Yes. My jump was a tandem. I plan on starting AFF in the springtime once I save up some money.I'm so funny I crack my head open! P.M.S. #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #4 December 27, 2003 Chant this to yourself before every AFF jump(when thinking about a PLF): Feet and knees together, feet and knees together...this will ultimately prevent you from breaking an ankle...like moi...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheenster303 0 #5 December 27, 2003 I'll try and remember that. Thanks! Don't want to be breaking any ankles during AFF.......I'm so funny I crack my head open! P.M.S. #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #6 December 27, 2003 QuoteYes. My jump was a tandem. Ahh okay. A PLF is a way of spreading out "impact" with the ground over as much of the body as possible. Done correctly it will make a bad landing one that you can walk away from, and can make a horrible landing one that you don't get quite as hurt from. I consider PLF's to be survival skills, just like pulling and emergency procedures. You may think you look silly doing them, but practice them often once you learn them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkySlut 0 #7 December 27, 2003 Five points of contact...balls of the feet, calf, thigh, ass, across the back to the oposing shoulder. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheenster303 0 #8 December 27, 2003 Ah now I get it. I had no idea what people were talking about for the longest time. I'll definitely learn more about it during AFF but it's good to know what it is so I'm not totally in the dark when I'm reading some of these posts. I can't wait to start AFF! Yay!I'm so funny I crack my head open! P.M.S. #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nightjumps 1 #9 December 27, 2003 http://www.skydivetulsa.com/parachute_landings.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mixoligist 0 #10 December 27, 2003 300 posts 1 skydive Hmmmm........................................ Better you than me .................................. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheenster303 0 #11 December 27, 2003 yes.... I just come here to read as much as I can and I'm just waiting to save enough money for AFF. I'm trying to learn from other people on this site. That's why I'm asking questions. To learn more.I'm so funny I crack my head open! P.M.S. #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #12 December 27, 2003 Quote I'll definitely learn more about it during AFF but it's good to know what it is so I'm not totally in the dark when I'm reading some of these posts. You can get a huge head start on your AFF if you buy and read either "Parachuting, The Skydiver's Handbook" (Poynter/Turoff; Para Publishing) or "Jump! Skydiving made fun and easy" (Buchanan; McGraw Hill) - you can find them at pretty much any major skydiving equipment dealer or at Amazon. Either one will explain a LOT of what you are reading here, and the knowledge you gain will make your first AFF less scary. imho, either one is the best $20 a new jumper can spend. Keep learnin'! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #13 December 27, 2003 Learn primarily from your instructors. Ignore what you read here, aside from the personal experiences, which can help you prepare mentally for AFF. Your instructors will teach you everything you need to know about staying safe in the air. There are too many things here that are misleading or just plain wrong. If you read something here that interests you, ASK an instructor about it. That's what they're for. Have fun on your AFF! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sheenster303 0 #14 December 27, 2003 Thanks you guys! I'll go and find that book right now and buy it. Maybe then I can start to decipher between good advice and pure bullshit.I'm so funny I crack my head open! P.M.S. #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cindee 0 #15 December 28, 2003 QuoteChant this to yourself before every AFF jump(when thinking about a PLF): Feet and knees together, feet and knees together...this will ultimately prevent you from breaking an ankle...like moi... Very wise words. Even if they tell you on the radio that you can stand it up... keep those feet and knees together. Otherwise you can also break knees.__________________________________________________ "If happy little bluebirds fly above the rainbow, why oh why can't I?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #16 December 28, 2003 Taught to you in your FJC, but somehow forgotten somewhere between exiting the airplane and landing PLF= Pretty Lousy Flairwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MichaelBess 0 #17 December 28, 2003 One way I tell my students to remember their PLFs is this: Picture a $100 bill between your knees and another $100 dollar bill between your ankles. If you allow one of them to slip durring your PLF you will be spending that $200 (or more) on your insurance deductible for that nice new broken ankle! They seem to listen more carefully and pay more attention after that... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kris 0 #18 December 28, 2003 I am soooooo stealing that line for my students. Thanks!Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MichaelBess 0 #19 December 28, 2003 No problem, I am glad to help Instructors should share any tips and tricks we have when the students are the ones that ultimately benefit. The other one I like is the answer to... What happens when your reserve parachute fails to open? You are going to die! That gets their attention EVERY time. Then you can talk some sense into them and explain why they should stop asking all those stupid questions and listen to their instructor (in a polite and politically correct way of course). I just love that one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kris 0 #20 December 28, 2003 QuoteThat gets their attention EVERY time. Then you can talk some sense into them and explain why they should stop asking all those stupid questions and listen to their instructor (in a polite and politically correct way of course). I just love that one. Yup, I love that one, too. Another favorite of mine is when they ask, "If the reserve doesn't open, how long do you have until you hit the ground?" My answer, "The rest of your life." Then I steer things towards more probable scenarios that they need to worry about.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MichaelBess 0 #21 December 28, 2003 QuoteAnother favorite of mine is when they ask, "If the reserve doesn't open, how long do you have until you hit the ground?" My answer, "The rest of your life." Absolutely! The trick is is get them out of "Output" mode and shift them to "Input" mode so they actually LISTEN in class because this class IS actually important! 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Nightingale 0 #13 December 27, 2003 Learn primarily from your instructors. Ignore what you read here, aside from the personal experiences, which can help you prepare mentally for AFF. Your instructors will teach you everything you need to know about staying safe in the air. There are too many things here that are misleading or just plain wrong. If you read something here that interests you, ASK an instructor about it. That's what they're for. Have fun on your AFF! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheenster303 0 #14 December 27, 2003 Thanks you guys! I'll go and find that book right now and buy it. Maybe then I can start to decipher between good advice and pure bullshit.I'm so funny I crack my head open! P.M.S. #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cindee 0 #15 December 28, 2003 QuoteChant this to yourself before every AFF jump(when thinking about a PLF): Feet and knees together, feet and knees together...this will ultimately prevent you from breaking an ankle...like moi... Very wise words. Even if they tell you on the radio that you can stand it up... keep those feet and knees together. Otherwise you can also break knees.__________________________________________________ "If happy little bluebirds fly above the rainbow, why oh why can't I?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #16 December 28, 2003 Taught to you in your FJC, but somehow forgotten somewhere between exiting the airplane and landing PLF= Pretty Lousy Flairwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MichaelBess 0 #17 December 28, 2003 One way I tell my students to remember their PLFs is this: Picture a $100 bill between your knees and another $100 dollar bill between your ankles. If you allow one of them to slip durring your PLF you will be spending that $200 (or more) on your insurance deductible for that nice new broken ankle! They seem to listen more carefully and pay more attention after that... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #18 December 28, 2003 I am soooooo stealing that line for my students. Thanks!Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MichaelBess 0 #19 December 28, 2003 No problem, I am glad to help Instructors should share any tips and tricks we have when the students are the ones that ultimately benefit. The other one I like is the answer to... What happens when your reserve parachute fails to open? You are going to die! That gets their attention EVERY time. Then you can talk some sense into them and explain why they should stop asking all those stupid questions and listen to their instructor (in a polite and politically correct way of course). I just love that one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #20 December 28, 2003 QuoteThat gets their attention EVERY time. Then you can talk some sense into them and explain why they should stop asking all those stupid questions and listen to their instructor (in a polite and politically correct way of course). I just love that one. Yup, I love that one, too. Another favorite of mine is when they ask, "If the reserve doesn't open, how long do you have until you hit the ground?" My answer, "The rest of your life." Then I steer things towards more probable scenarios that they need to worry about.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MichaelBess 0 #21 December 28, 2003 QuoteAnother favorite of mine is when they ask, "If the reserve doesn't open, how long do you have until you hit the ground?" My answer, "The rest of your life." Absolutely! The trick is is get them out of "Output" mode and shift them to "Input" mode so they actually LISTEN in class because this class IS actually important! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
