gemini 0 #26 January 6, 2004 Ok let's skip over the moderator part and learn from this. Does another diver on the load who is not part of your group ever have the right to spot for you or your group? What if you are jumping for the first time at a DZ? At the Ranch one fall with all the leaves changing color I could never find the landing zone until I was under canopy. I asked (even though we were going to be first out) local jumpers several times to spot for us which they never minded doing. What if another jumper thinks he saw something and holds you up? I have been on several loads where the guy sitting on the bench next to the door spots an aircraft below the jump plane after the first group has left. I think that would be justified. And then there is the situation where the red light comes on and the group in the door doesn't see it. I like to be told when the pilot has signaled to stop exiting...who knows what he has seen or heard from ATC? In the case at hand, a jumper thought the spot might be long and tried to help out all remaining jumpers on the plane by taking a quick look. I agree it probably slowed your exit a little, but what would you have done if he had immediately requested a go-around? I have done this a few times when jumping solo and the people left on the plane with me are low timers and recent grads. I always try to tell them what I am doing and why 'cause someday it will be their turn. What would really piss me off is if he would have pushed his way to the door and exited before me or my group because that would have been a serious safety issue if we were in the correct exit order for the dz. Blues, Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #27 January 6, 2004 QuoteI think whoever cut in front of me would have a fat lip Hahahah.. no they wouldn't ---- As far as the person "taking cuts" Let it go, it's kindof a silly debate. As Sangiro said in another thread. "Get a life! And stop taking yourself and everything around you so seriously!" See in a plane sometime.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #28 January 6, 2004 I vote "No this individual should be allowed to do anything that they want." I say BillVon may act with impunity when on jump run. If he wants to moon the pilot, that's fine. If he goes "Woop!Woop!Woop!" and makes a retarded face as he stiff-walks out the door without checking the spot, that's great. If he's putting the last puffs in his blowup love-doll "tandem passenger" and wants you to wait until he's done, no problem; we all know BillVon has enough air to make it snappy, and you could always check the spot and ask for a go-around, politely explaining to the pilot over the rushing wind that you won't leave the plane once it goes three hundred feet past the edge of the baseball field. BillVon can do no wrong! -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivexxl 0 #29 January 6, 2004 QuoteQuoteI think whoever cut in front of me would have a fat lip Hahahah.. no they wouldn't ---- As far as the person "taking cuts" Let it go, it's kindof a silly debate. As Sangiro said in another thread. "Get a life! And stop taking yourself and everything around you so seriously!" See in a plane sometime. But if we do start carrying guns on jump planes... Blog Clicky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #30 January 6, 2004 Let's try it this way.... "I have video of a certain DZ.COMmer cutting in front of some other skydivers while jumping out of a SkyVan during the Eloy Holiday boogie. Let me setup the scenario and then you vote about how you feel concerning this incident. While on jump run, the last group of of freefliers (a 2-way) are about to jump and a bunch of wing suit skydivers will then exit after this freefly group in one of their flocking dives. But for some reason, this jumper decided to cut in front of one of the two freefliers in what appears to be the desire to check his spot. What was this jumper doing? What was he thinking? How would he be reacting if the shoe was on the other foot? IMHO, this jumper had no business cutting in front of the freefly group, yet this is what he did and it ultimately resulting in this last freeflying group to land off because this jumper delayed their exit. What is so wrong with waiting for the group in front of you to exit before you check your spot. It's not like these freefliers were student skydivers needing help with their spot. The two freefliers are very experienced (in fact one of them has his AFF Instructor Rating). Either this jumper spaced out (in which case one wonders how often he spaces out while on a skydive) or this jumper thinks he's above everyone else and feels it's okay to cut in front of other groups in order to check his spot. So you tell me what you think? What I think is I edited out at least 7 "moderator"s and replaced them with "jumper". What I also think is: Did you or the other person talk with him? If so, what was the reaction? any solution we can learn from this? Why did this piss you off so much, as long as the correct exit order was followed? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #31 January 6, 2004 Uh Oh Steve, Look what you've started here! Soon your posts will start disappearing left and right... Messin' with the "Greenies"? You've got guts!!! Sleep with one eye open -drew Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #32 January 6, 2004 Hmmmm, I learned a long time ago not to piss the moderators off. Well, I learned but I still am not very good at not doing it. That's besides the point. Why didn't you just shove the said moderator/jumper out the tail end of the Box?? They were wearing a parachute, wern't they? (See, There I go again! Sorry Greenies!! )=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #33 January 6, 2004 >Why didn't you just shove the said moderator/jumper out the tail >end of the Box?? They were wearing a parachute, wern't they? And a wingsuit! I could have flown by them after they exited, stuck my tounge out as I went by, and still made it back to the DZ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #34 January 6, 2004 QuoteAnd a wingsuit! I could have flown by them after they exited, stuck my tounge out as I went by, and still made it back to the DZ. Do you greenies have superpowers - like on the justice league?? You must, i think.....=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skylord 1 #35 January 6, 2004 QuoteAnd then there is the situation where the red light comes on and the group in the door doesn't see it. I like to be told when the pilot has signaled to stop exiting...who knows what he has seen or heard from ATC? Exactly. This happens far more often than you can imagine. I spent a weekend up at Elsinore and watched over a dozen airplanes fly right through the dropzone. In one case, a twin flew through right after they had their 60 way at an altitude at about 3,500 feet. From a controller's standpoint, a pilot who will fly through a NOTAM'd drop zone will also sometimes fail to turn their transponder on. What that means to us is we only see an intermittent primary target, but if I see it twice with lateral displacement (meaning it isn't ground returns) I call it as traffic to the jump pilot. What the pilot does is up to him/her. The thread creeped a bit, but to bring us all back, this is what I have discovered about what billvon and other moderators do in general: [deleted by billvon] So there you have it. A most comprehensive expose on the wrongdoings of ALL the dropzone.com moderators with associated links to the video/audio files, and criminal records. I may be new, but I am glad to help out. Bob ps: the ATC stuff was serious, the part about moderators was a gag. Bob Marks "-when you leave the airplane its all wrong til it goes right, its a whole different mindset, this is why you have system redundancy." Mattaman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RippedCord 0 #36 January 6, 2004 Quote Should moderators be allowed to do anything they want on the jump plane? Yes this individual had no business blocking the door. No this individual should be allowed to do anything that they want. Is this one of those questions that Kirk proposed to Nomad in "The Changeling?" If one answers "yes, moderators should be allowed to do anything they want" then that conflicts with the rest of sentence which would discourage moderators having unlimited rights on the airplane. Likewise, answering "no, moderaters should not be allowed to do anything they want" conflicts with the rest of the sentence which would give them free reign. My brain hurts and I am torn between the freedom of the individual versus the good of the many. AMDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #37 January 6, 2004 What's the address I should send the tissues to? www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydivingNurse 0 #38 January 6, 2004 QuoteIf he's putting the last puffs in his blowup love-doll "tandem passenger" and wants you to wait until he's done, no problem; Man, I've been going to the wrong dropzone to learn how to skydive. Oh and BTW, since I wasn't there and didn't see it with my own two peepers, I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Just my $0.02 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyhi 24 #39 January 6, 2004 What is this "Check the spot" thing everyone keeps talking about? Sounds interesting. I usually just turn a bad spot into an impromptu demo. Have been invited to two parties on the beach that way. And the Police Department of a small Florida town is still looking for a certain jump master. I will never start a count after, "That should work" followed by a thumbs up, again.Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shunkka 0 #40 January 6, 2004 ok maybe my english is not very well but I CANT understand what makes u so angry the action of the guy who blocked (and delayed with 2-3 seconds) the exit or the action of "one of our moderators" why u judge him as a "moderator" and not as a "skydiver" moderators are here on DZ.com and their status is ONLY here - as our status ( newbie, addict, geronimo) are only here and dont proove our skills in SKYDIVING and ok if the guy done somthing wrong i think the best way is 2 talk with him personaly as i said in my english sucks (it`s not my native language) and myabe i missunderstood something ------------------------- "jump, have fun, pull" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #41 January 6, 2004 Hahaha, well, it's been nice knowin ya Steve.... *as his account on dz.com suddenly disappears...* Can you post a still from the video spoken of?? Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #42 January 6, 2004 Time to hijack this silly thread! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Quote .....Hells' Bells Brother..... relax.........!!! after all.... you are IN A SKYVAN.!!!!..... having fun SKYDIVING..!!!!.... At E freakin' LOY!!!!!! for cryin' out loud...... It's all of "Us poor bastards", stuck up north,, where it's SNOWING!!!!!!!! and 15 degrees !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wadda ya mean? ... only 15 degrees! Yesterday it was minus 12 CELCIUS when we started work pulling cables out of snow drifts! Work is suspended - on that project - because of the blizzard forecast for today! To top it off, the DZO and manifestor returned from their vacation in ELOY yesterday. They invited us out to dinner and spent the entire evening BRAGGING about what a great time they had in ELOY! To the original poster: I can whine much louder than you! NEENER NEENER NEENER! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ccowden 0 #43 January 6, 2004 This is an absolutely bizarre thread! It has nothing to do with someone being a moderator. As if the title of moderator somehow translates into privleges beyond this site!??? This thread is nothing more than a personal attack on someone and should have been handled face to face, assuming there really was a problem. Besides that, it is alot worse than a thread of mine that got locked when it went personal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tombuch 0 #44 January 6, 2004 Your "poll" is missing a selection for "It doesn't matter if the guy is a moderator, and the issue should have been discussed on the ground anyway so it's silly to build a mountain out of it in an international forum." Tom BuchananTom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #45 January 6, 2004 Of course any skydiver has no business blocking other groups from jumping. Of course you have the right to post the video of them being wrong, and of course we have the right to make a whole lotta fun out of them for it. Moderator or not, who cares? They don't walk on water for gods sake. Just post the fricken video! My year-end video featured a clip of the DZO's 4-way group standing in the door of the skyvan for 17 seconds while the green light was on. It went over very well. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #46 January 6, 2004 QuoteHahaha, well, it's been nice knowin ya Steve.... *as his account on dz.com suddenly disappears...* Well it sounds like you and I (based on your tandem thread gone down the WrongWay ... pardon the pun) should be setting up our own skydiving web site together. But despite liking DZ.COM (thank you Sangiro, you rock), I can think of worse things to happen to me if I was to lose my privileges on these boards. QuoteCan you post a still from the video spoken of?? I can do that, but I'm not sure if any good will come of it. My wording in this thread could have been better. I mention that this person was a DZ.COM moderator (because they are), but this incident had nothing to do with them being a moderator and for that I am wrong (at least I can admit that I make mistakes). I still do find it some what amusing that almost 50% of the people who have voted feel that this individual is allowed to do anything they want while on a jump plan (including cutting in front of another group so as to check their spot). Oh well ... who am I to question the actions of this individual. I do know that if the shoe was on the other foot, most if not all of you would be saying that cutting in front of another group to check your spot would be the wrong thing to do. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RippedCord 0 #47 January 6, 2004 QuoteI still do find it some what amusing that almost 50% of the people who have voted feel that this individual is allowed to do anything they want while on a jump plan Was that the "yes" or the "no" answer? AMDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,107 #48 January 6, 2004 >I still do find it some what amusing that almost 50% of the people > who have voted feel that this individual is allowed to do anything > they want . . . I find it pretty amusing that you won't talk to me about it or even use my name! >I do know that if the shoe was on the other foot, most if not all of > you would be saying that cutting in front of another group to check > your spot would be the wrong thing to do. I think it depends where you are. If you'd taken that poll at Brown, it would be 99% who said yes, since it was my job - we had a landing area with Mexico to the south, 3000' mountains to the east, and an industrial park to the west, so bad spots were a very big deal. Me (or another AFF-I) would check the spot before each group exited. At Rantoul it would probably be around 40% since Gary asked us (the organizers) to keep an eye on exit separation, and I'd sometimes "get in the way" of the next group (i.e. stick my head out the door) to make sure they had enough separation. Every once in a while someone would bitch; goes with the terroritory I guess. And old habits die hard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WrongWay 0 #49 January 6, 2004 QuoteWell it sounds like you and I (based on your tandem thread gone down the WrongWay ... pardon the pun) should be setting up our own skydiving web site together. Hahaha, yeah I fucked that one up on the wording a bit eh? OOPS.....well, the people that know me (or met me at eloy) at least know I'm not an asshole, or an asshat for that matter, and I've sincerely apologized for my lack of wording skills, and I've meant it, so anybody else that is still mad at me or thinks I'm an asshole just doesn't know me, and needs to learn to accept an apology when it is sincerely given, repeatedly. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vallerina 2 #50 January 6, 2004 QuoteI can do that, but I'm not sure if any good will come of it. My wording in this thread could have been better. No, witnesses make the worst evidence for cases! People's perceptions are often wrong. I don't care if you post the video or not. A video of him peeking out at the spot won't convince me he's doing whatever he damn well pleases because of his greenie status. QuoteI still do find it some what amusing that almost 50% of the people who have voted feel that this individual is allowed to do anything they want while on a jump plan I haven't voted, but if you think that what he did was "doing whatver they wanted," then I would also say, "Yes." No, nobody should start doing odd things on jump run (touching my gear without asking, shouting, "Fire," for no reason), but what he did wasn't odd. Are you really trying to say that he's let his moderator "powers" get to his head????There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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ccowden 0 #43 January 6, 2004 This is an absolutely bizarre thread! It has nothing to do with someone being a moderator. As if the title of moderator somehow translates into privleges beyond this site!??? This thread is nothing more than a personal attack on someone and should have been handled face to face, assuming there really was a problem. Besides that, it is alot worse than a thread of mine that got locked when it went personal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #44 January 6, 2004 Your "poll" is missing a selection for "It doesn't matter if the guy is a moderator, and the issue should have been discussed on the ground anyway so it's silly to build a mountain out of it in an international forum." Tom BuchananTom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #45 January 6, 2004 Of course any skydiver has no business blocking other groups from jumping. Of course you have the right to post the video of them being wrong, and of course we have the right to make a whole lotta fun out of them for it. Moderator or not, who cares? They don't walk on water for gods sake. Just post the fricken video! My year-end video featured a clip of the DZO's 4-way group standing in the door of the skyvan for 17 seconds while the green light was on. It went over very well. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #46 January 6, 2004 QuoteHahaha, well, it's been nice knowin ya Steve.... *as his account on dz.com suddenly disappears...* Well it sounds like you and I (based on your tandem thread gone down the WrongWay ... pardon the pun) should be setting up our own skydiving web site together. But despite liking DZ.COM (thank you Sangiro, you rock), I can think of worse things to happen to me if I was to lose my privileges on these boards. QuoteCan you post a still from the video spoken of?? I can do that, but I'm not sure if any good will come of it. My wording in this thread could have been better. I mention that this person was a DZ.COM moderator (because they are), but this incident had nothing to do with them being a moderator and for that I am wrong (at least I can admit that I make mistakes). I still do find it some what amusing that almost 50% of the people who have voted feel that this individual is allowed to do anything they want while on a jump plan (including cutting in front of another group so as to check their spot). Oh well ... who am I to question the actions of this individual. I do know that if the shoe was on the other foot, most if not all of you would be saying that cutting in front of another group to check your spot would be the wrong thing to do. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RippedCord 0 #47 January 6, 2004 QuoteI still do find it some what amusing that almost 50% of the people who have voted feel that this individual is allowed to do anything they want while on a jump plan Was that the "yes" or the "no" answer? AMDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #48 January 6, 2004 >I still do find it some what amusing that almost 50% of the people > who have voted feel that this individual is allowed to do anything > they want . . . I find it pretty amusing that you won't talk to me about it or even use my name! >I do know that if the shoe was on the other foot, most if not all of > you would be saying that cutting in front of another group to check > your spot would be the wrong thing to do. I think it depends where you are. If you'd taken that poll at Brown, it would be 99% who said yes, since it was my job - we had a landing area with Mexico to the south, 3000' mountains to the east, and an industrial park to the west, so bad spots were a very big deal. Me (or another AFF-I) would check the spot before each group exited. At Rantoul it would probably be around 40% since Gary asked us (the organizers) to keep an eye on exit separation, and I'd sometimes "get in the way" of the next group (i.e. stick my head out the door) to make sure they had enough separation. Every once in a while someone would bitch; goes with the terroritory I guess. And old habits die hard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #49 January 6, 2004 QuoteWell it sounds like you and I (based on your tandem thread gone down the WrongWay ... pardon the pun) should be setting up our own skydiving web site together. Hahaha, yeah I fucked that one up on the wording a bit eh? OOPS.....well, the people that know me (or met me at eloy) at least know I'm not an asshole, or an asshat for that matter, and I've sincerely apologized for my lack of wording skills, and I've meant it, so anybody else that is still mad at me or thinks I'm an asshole just doesn't know me, and needs to learn to accept an apology when it is sincerely given, repeatedly. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #50 January 6, 2004 QuoteI can do that, but I'm not sure if any good will come of it. My wording in this thread could have been better. No, witnesses make the worst evidence for cases! People's perceptions are often wrong. I don't care if you post the video or not. A video of him peeking out at the spot won't convince me he's doing whatever he damn well pleases because of his greenie status. QuoteI still do find it some what amusing that almost 50% of the people who have voted feel that this individual is allowed to do anything they want while on a jump plan I haven't voted, but if you think that what he did was "doing whatver they wanted," then I would also say, "Yes." No, nobody should start doing odd things on jump run (touching my gear without asking, shouting, "Fire," for no reason), but what he did wasn't odd. Are you really trying to say that he's let his moderator "powers" get to his head????There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
