firstime 0 #1 January 28, 2004 if your belly to earth, then flip to your back how much speed to you increase and would this cause you to get slammed if you opened in that position. I did it once and it happened so fast that it was difficult to put into perspective once on the ground. Could my speed have increased that quick (3 or 4 seconds)?? That gave me a major smack in the brain as far as body position during deployment. Scared the snot out me. And what I did notice (was told during AFF) that your mind will go into slo mo.... yea yea yea. Guess what they were right, but I reconized it. Two thumbs up to all instructors out there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #2 January 28, 2004 You deployed while you were back to earth?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites firstime 0 #3 January 28, 2004 yup, I reached back and just as I began my throw I flipped like a coin. I then tried to go back to box but it was too late, my pilot was so far out the pouch it caught enough wind as I was going back to belly it had enough inflation to leave the pouch, at that point I was right shoulder down and the PC went across my belly. This is something that could have gone real bad but other than getting slammed I am here sharing my brain fart. I've had so many people say " anyone can fall but to fly your canopy is the real deal" and I agree but improper body position upon deployment can kill you. Funny thing is that it was my first jump with my own rig and with a hook knife. I have learned alot from my instructors, my mistakes and from this forum. I heard a statement in this forum that said "reach back, hold it for a second or 2 then pitch" Great advice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #4 January 28, 2004 Quote yup, I reached back and just as I began my throw I flipped like a coin. Don't do that. People back fly all the time, but to actually deploy you really want to be belly to earth.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riddler 0 #5 January 28, 2004 You probably increased your speed a little, but the hard opening was caused more by being in the wrong position. Rigs are made to open while you are belly to earth. Other positions are going to cause your body to get jostled around on opening - a good way to get whiplash or worse. On your next jump, fly on your body in pull position for the entire jump. After you get out of the plane, put your right hand on the hacky, and your left hand on your forehead (or however you were trained to deploy). You can fly in that position. You can make turns by dipping your shoulders and elbows - you can even do backloops and stay in that position. Maybe do a few jumps like that. And also practice going back and forth between the stable "boxman" and pull position several times on one jump - practice touches. All of these things will help you feel comfortable when you actually do pull - you won't tense up, and you'll pull stable. Edited to add in my own best advice - Ask your instructors before you do what I say Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ltdiver 3 #6 January 28, 2004 QuotePeople back fly all the time, but to actually deploy you really want to be belly to earth. Yes, unless deploying at a safe altitude overrides... ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #7 January 28, 2004 QuoteYes, unless deploying at a safe altitude overrides... Or being creative on a Hop & Pop!---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 1 #8 January 28, 2004 Quoteyup, I reached back and just as I began my throw I flipped like a coin. Arch REACH pull... Not arch, look, flip, pull. Try this. While in freefall, get into pull position .. Ok, I just read the rest of the thread, and riddler already covered this. Extend your legs a bit and turn both directions while in pull position. Be able to see the back of your left hand out in front of you as you do this excersize. Have fun. It will help.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #9 January 28, 2004 Where you on a freefly dive or an RW jump?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites firstime 0 #10 January 28, 2004 Thanks hookit, great little piece of advice. Thats something I will do on my next jump. Sounds so simple but makes great sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites koz2000 1 #11 January 29, 2004 Also your speed should not have increased that much. When we want to do RW, we'll have half the people on their bellies, and half the people on their backs. Be careful deploying on your back. It could get nasty quick.______________________________________________ - Does this small canopy make my balls look big? - J. Hayes - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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quade 4 #2 January 28, 2004 You deployed while you were back to earth?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstime 0 #3 January 28, 2004 yup, I reached back and just as I began my throw I flipped like a coin. I then tried to go back to box but it was too late, my pilot was so far out the pouch it caught enough wind as I was going back to belly it had enough inflation to leave the pouch, at that point I was right shoulder down and the PC went across my belly. This is something that could have gone real bad but other than getting slammed I am here sharing my brain fart. I've had so many people say " anyone can fall but to fly your canopy is the real deal" and I agree but improper body position upon deployment can kill you. Funny thing is that it was my first jump with my own rig and with a hook knife. I have learned alot from my instructors, my mistakes and from this forum. I heard a statement in this forum that said "reach back, hold it for a second or 2 then pitch" Great advice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 January 28, 2004 Quote yup, I reached back and just as I began my throw I flipped like a coin. Don't do that. People back fly all the time, but to actually deploy you really want to be belly to earth.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #5 January 28, 2004 You probably increased your speed a little, but the hard opening was caused more by being in the wrong position. Rigs are made to open while you are belly to earth. Other positions are going to cause your body to get jostled around on opening - a good way to get whiplash or worse. On your next jump, fly on your body in pull position for the entire jump. After you get out of the plane, put your right hand on the hacky, and your left hand on your forehead (or however you were trained to deploy). You can fly in that position. You can make turns by dipping your shoulders and elbows - you can even do backloops and stay in that position. Maybe do a few jumps like that. And also practice going back and forth between the stable "boxman" and pull position several times on one jump - practice touches. All of these things will help you feel comfortable when you actually do pull - you won't tense up, and you'll pull stable. Edited to add in my own best advice - Ask your instructors before you do what I say Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #6 January 28, 2004 QuotePeople back fly all the time, but to actually deploy you really want to be belly to earth. Yes, unless deploying at a safe altitude overrides... ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #7 January 28, 2004 QuoteYes, unless deploying at a safe altitude overrides... Or being creative on a Hop & Pop!---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #8 January 28, 2004 Quoteyup, I reached back and just as I began my throw I flipped like a coin. Arch REACH pull... Not arch, look, flip, pull. Try this. While in freefall, get into pull position .. Ok, I just read the rest of the thread, and riddler already covered this. Extend your legs a bit and turn both directions while in pull position. Be able to see the back of your left hand out in front of you as you do this excersize. Have fun. It will help.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #9 January 28, 2004 Where you on a freefly dive or an RW jump?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstime 0 #10 January 28, 2004 Thanks hookit, great little piece of advice. Thats something I will do on my next jump. Sounds so simple but makes great sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koz2000 1 #11 January 29, 2004 Also your speed should not have increased that much. When we want to do RW, we'll have half the people on their bellies, and half the people on their backs. Be careful deploying on your back. It could get nasty quick.______________________________________________ - Does this small canopy make my balls look big? - J. Hayes - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
