dsbbreck 0 #1 February 3, 2004 Without naming names or giving to many specifics, have you ever had to make a choice to take the chance of losing a friend by trying to keep them from doing something you think is stupid in skydiving or letting them do it and possibly lose them as a friend permanently?David "Socrates wasn't killed because he had the answer.......he was killed because he asked the question." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #2 February 3, 2004 wasn't skydiving related, but yes. To this day, she still doesn't speak to me, but she's alive, so I'm okay with that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #3 February 3, 2004 More than once. Some realized the foolish ness and we are still friends, others well.........---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nullified 0 #4 February 3, 2004 ***Without naming names or giving to many specifics, have you ever had to make a choice to take the chance of losing a friend by trying to keep them from doing something you think is stupid in skydiving or letting them do it and possibly lose them as a friend permanently? David QuoteMake the decision that you can live with. You probably will, and they may also. Why the hell am I still awake? Stay safe, Mike If you're gonna' be stupid, well, then you're most likely stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #5 February 3, 2004 Several times. Friends should never judge, but if they're putting themselves - or others at risk - you need to step in. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelel01 1 #6 February 3, 2004 I have not been in the situation you're referring to, but I myself am fairly pigheaded and stubborn. If someone tries to tell me something that's in my best interest (that I don't want to hear), my reaction would probably be the following: 1) I'd get pissed. 2) It would make me stop and think about what I was about to do. 3) I probably wouldn't do it, or would proceed with extreme caution. And 4) I would get over myself and forget that I was ever angry. So here's my advice-- NEVER let friendhip get in the way of taking steps necessary to keep your friends safe. They'll appreciate it in the long run, or at the very least, they'll get over it (or they should). Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites baa75 0 #7 February 3, 2004 I told someone that I didn't like their canopy choice and I would not jump with them as long as they continue to jump that canopy. I may not be able to control what he does but I make my choices and stick to them. If he wants to jump together he can ditch the canopy otherwise we're done. Its his choice but I've made my feelings well known. If he continues to jump the canopy I'm sure it will hurt our friendship past just not jumping together but we'll have to wait and see what happens. BettyAnn Getting married? Check out my website! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WrongWay 0 #8 February 3, 2004 Yes, I've set up three interventions with family and friends because of hard drugs. (coke and ex.) I lost all of them as friends, but they're alive and drug free, so I'm happy. BUT I've also been on the other end of the stick, being lectured because I was jumping out of perfectly good airplanes and I was surely going to die....yadda yadda yadda.....I don't hang with those people anymore.... Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cocheese 0 #9 February 3, 2004 I've had a lot of tension telling a few friends how to drive.We never ride with each other any more , but were still good friends. Keeping friends as friends is a fine line if one or both don't want to comprimise. State your mind if you think it's necessary. If they are a good friend , they will know you are just trying to be a good friend and not trying to hurt them. Better Safe than sorry right ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HRHSkyPrincess 0 #10 February 3, 2004 Yes, I did make that choice a couple of years ago. It was unpleasant, I was 'dissed' behind my back, but I have not regretted the decision I made in the interest of safety (and on the advice of the S&TA, DZO, and DZM) because I genuinely cared about this friend (who is no longer a friend). So be it. :)***************** Attitude is everything! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #11 February 3, 2004 Yes.... think about all the folks on here that hate me for preaching saftey over fun."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyangel2 2 #12 February 3, 2004 Quotehave you ever had to make a choice to take the chance of losing a friend by......... Quotethink about all the folks on here that hate me for preaching saftey over fun. Ron, notice what Dave said. He said friend. You have to have friends in order to have friendships. All kidding aside. Ron, the information you have to offer on these posts is worth reading. Even if at times people don't agree. Dave, don't be afraid to voice how you feel to this person. You know me, have I ever held back on telling someone how I feel about a safety issue? You are not there to win a contest as to how many friends you can make at the DZ. If they are any kind of friend, they will listen, and you will both walk away respecting each other.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diverdriver 7 #13 February 3, 2004 QuoteWithout naming names or giving to many specifics, have you ever had to make a choice to take the chance of losing a friend by trying to keep them from doing something you think is stupid in skydiving or letting them do it and possibly lose them as a friend permanently? Yes, I left a DZ. 11 months later I had 5 friends killed in a jump plane crash. Not a day goes by that I don't think about them and "what if" I had stayed to watch over them. edit to add: But I felt I had to leave for safety and financial reasons. I had 3 engine failures in 4 months. All on take off. All landed to a dead stick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites grega 0 #14 February 4, 2004 Quote 1) I'd get pissed. 2) It would make me stop and think about what I was about to do. 3) I probably wouldn't do it, or would proceed with extreme caution. And 4) I would get over myself and forget that I was ever angry. Sure but some people don't do number 4, they are just to proud or too full of themselves, to admit they were wrong. And they just keep beeing "mad" at you... Btw, i was also in a similar situation... But my guess is. it's all in the way you aproach to that person. If your aproach is right everything is fine, if it's wrong, well you can loose a friend... But if saving his life with that, i think it's well worth it."George just lucky i guess!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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Tonto 1 #5 February 3, 2004 Several times. Friends should never judge, but if they're putting themselves - or others at risk - you need to step in. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #6 February 3, 2004 I have not been in the situation you're referring to, but I myself am fairly pigheaded and stubborn. If someone tries to tell me something that's in my best interest (that I don't want to hear), my reaction would probably be the following: 1) I'd get pissed. 2) It would make me stop and think about what I was about to do. 3) I probably wouldn't do it, or would proceed with extreme caution. And 4) I would get over myself and forget that I was ever angry. So here's my advice-- NEVER let friendhip get in the way of taking steps necessary to keep your friends safe. They'll appreciate it in the long run, or at the very least, they'll get over it (or they should). Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
baa75 0 #7 February 3, 2004 I told someone that I didn't like their canopy choice and I would not jump with them as long as they continue to jump that canopy. I may not be able to control what he does but I make my choices and stick to them. If he wants to jump together he can ditch the canopy otherwise we're done. Its his choice but I've made my feelings well known. If he continues to jump the canopy I'm sure it will hurt our friendship past just not jumping together but we'll have to wait and see what happens. BettyAnn Getting married? Check out my website! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #8 February 3, 2004 Yes, I've set up three interventions with family and friends because of hard drugs. (coke and ex.) I lost all of them as friends, but they're alive and drug free, so I'm happy. BUT I've also been on the other end of the stick, being lectured because I was jumping out of perfectly good airplanes and I was surely going to die....yadda yadda yadda.....I don't hang with those people anymore.... Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cocheese 0 #9 February 3, 2004 I've had a lot of tension telling a few friends how to drive.We never ride with each other any more , but were still good friends. Keeping friends as friends is a fine line if one or both don't want to comprimise. State your mind if you think it's necessary. If they are a good friend , they will know you are just trying to be a good friend and not trying to hurt them. Better Safe than sorry right ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HRHSkyPrincess 0 #10 February 3, 2004 Yes, I did make that choice a couple of years ago. It was unpleasant, I was 'dissed' behind my back, but I have not regretted the decision I made in the interest of safety (and on the advice of the S&TA, DZO, and DZM) because I genuinely cared about this friend (who is no longer a friend). So be it. :)***************** Attitude is everything! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #11 February 3, 2004 Yes.... think about all the folks on here that hate me for preaching saftey over fun."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #12 February 3, 2004 Quotehave you ever had to make a choice to take the chance of losing a friend by......... Quotethink about all the folks on here that hate me for preaching saftey over fun. Ron, notice what Dave said. He said friend. You have to have friends in order to have friendships. All kidding aside. Ron, the information you have to offer on these posts is worth reading. Even if at times people don't agree. Dave, don't be afraid to voice how you feel to this person. You know me, have I ever held back on telling someone how I feel about a safety issue? You are not there to win a contest as to how many friends you can make at the DZ. If they are any kind of friend, they will listen, and you will both walk away respecting each other.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #13 February 3, 2004 QuoteWithout naming names or giving to many specifics, have you ever had to make a choice to take the chance of losing a friend by trying to keep them from doing something you think is stupid in skydiving or letting them do it and possibly lose them as a friend permanently? Yes, I left a DZ. 11 months later I had 5 friends killed in a jump plane crash. Not a day goes by that I don't think about them and "what if" I had stayed to watch over them. edit to add: But I felt I had to leave for safety and financial reasons. I had 3 engine failures in 4 months. All on take off. All landed to a dead stick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grega 0 #14 February 4, 2004 Quote 1) I'd get pissed. 2) It would make me stop and think about what I was about to do. 3) I probably wouldn't do it, or would proceed with extreme caution. And 4) I would get over myself and forget that I was ever angry. Sure but some people don't do number 4, they are just to proud or too full of themselves, to admit they were wrong. And they just keep beeing "mad" at you... Btw, i was also in a similar situation... But my guess is. it's all in the way you aproach to that person. If your aproach is right everything is fine, if it's wrong, well you can loose a friend... But if saving his life with that, i think it's well worth it."George just lucky i guess!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
