Hooknswoop 19 #1 February 6, 2004 Going strictly by the FAR’s and disregarding the BSR’s; What are the FAA’s currency requirements for Parachutists in Command (Tandem Instructors)? If a Parachutist in Command fails to renew their instructional rating annually with the manufacturer, may they still legally act as a Parachutist in Command? What minimum equipment does the FAA require for a first skydive? What minimum instruction does the FAA require for a first skydive? How strong of winds may a first jump skydiver jump in according to the FAA? What minimum pull altitudes does the FAA require? Would a tandem harness system be legal if the passenger harness was certified to only 150 pounds and the Parachutists in Command’s harness was certified to 250 pounds, both at 175 knots (assuming the system passed all the other TSO requirements)? What is the maximum pull force on the cutaway handle to release the main canopy for TSO C23-D? For TSO C23-D, how many hours must the assembly be held at 200 or more degrees Fahrenheit, cooled to ambient temperature then test dropped? For a harness/container system rated to 300 pounds and a reserve rated to 300 pounds, what is the maximum time from pack opening to a fully functional parachute for TSO C23-D? For the same system as the previous question, how many seconds are allowed from pack opening to a fully functional parachute when the system is pack with 3 line twists? For the same system above, how many feet of altitude can be lost from pack opening to a fully functional canopy? What is the maximum rate of descent for a reserve canopy when loaded at not less than the maximum operating weight for TSO C23-D? May a skydiver legally jump in the U.S if they are under the influence of alcohol or drugs? May a pilot drop jumpers if they lose radio contact with Air Traffic Control? If exiting at or above 10,000 feet, what minimum size hole through any clouds must be present if the jumpers were to fall through the center of the hole? What license(s) does the FAA require a Parachutist in command to hold? Is it legal to make a tandem skydive with an AAD that is not turned on? Derek Edit, added the "d", thanks Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #2 February 6, 2004 QuoteMay a skydiver legally jump in the U.S if they are under the influence of alcohol or rugs? Damn ... I've never jumped under the influence of a rug before. Okay serious discussion trying to occur here ... Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #3 February 6, 2004 Derek, Do you want me to answer them or stay out of the way? SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brewman 0 #4 February 6, 2004 q:If exiting at or above 10,000 feet, what minimum size hole through any clouds must be present if the jumpers were to fall through the center of the hole? a: One mile horizontal cloud clearance at or above 10,000 feet, means you need a two mile diameter opening minimum if you jumped through the very center of the opening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #5 February 6, 2004 QuoteMay a skydiver legally jump in the U.S if they are under the influence of alcohol or drugs? No No person may conduct a parachute operation, and no pilot in command of an aircraft may allow a person to conduct a parachute operation from that aircraft, if that person is or appears to be under the influence of -- (a) Alcohol, or (b) Any drug that affects that person's faculties in any way contrary to safety. QuoteMay a pilot drop jumpers if they lose radio contact with Air Traffic Control? No § 105.13 Radio equipment and use requirements. (b) Parachute operations must be aborted if, prior to receipt of a required air traffic control authorization, or during any parachute operation in or into controlled airspace, the required radio communications system is or becomes inoperative. QuoteIs it legal to make a tandem skydive with an AAD that is not turned on? No. (3) The tandem parachute system contains an operational automatic activation device for the reserve parachute, approved by the manufacturer of that tandem parachute system. The device must -- (i) Have been maintained in accordance with manufacturer instructions, and (ii) Be armed during each tandem parachute operation. QuoteWhat license(s) does the FAA require a Parachutist in command to hold? Master or equalvent. QuoteWhat minimum equipment does the FAA require for a first skydive? What minimum instruction does the FAA require for a first skydive No minimum QuoteWhat are the FAA’s currency requirements for Parachutists in Command (Tandem Instructors)? How strong of winds may a first jump skydiver jump in according to the FAA? No requirement? QuoteFor the same system above, how many feet of altitude can be lost from pack opening to a fully functional canopy? 300?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #6 February 6, 2004 QuoteMaster or equalvent. Nope, only Master, "Holds a master parachute license issued by an organization recognized by the FAA". So, by the letter of the law, there are no 'legal' Tandem Instructors out there, since USPA does not issue a 'Master' license............. Quote300? Nope, 350 ft, there are given an extra foot for each pound over 250 pounds. Not bad. Sparky: Have at it.Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #7 February 6, 2004 brewman- correct. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #8 February 6, 2004 QuoteSo, by the letter of the law, there are no 'legal' Tandem Instructors out there, since USPA does not issue a 'Master' license............. I never noticed the USPA taking the "titles" off of the licenses. IIRC, a D used to be a "Master Parachutist"---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #9 February 6, 2004 QuoteIIRC, a D used to be a "Master Parachutist" Right, it used to be, but check the SIM's section 3-1. The licenses no longer have titles. A technicality to be sure. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caress 0 #10 February 6, 2004 Thank you Derek for this information, I am truely facinated. You can do this everyday, and I will not ever get tired of it.-Caress I've learned.... That being kind is more important than being right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nightjumps 1 #11 February 7, 2004 Quotethere are no 'legal' Tandem Instructors out there, since USPA does not issue a 'Master' license............. 'cept those of us who got our "Master" Parachutist Badge in the Army. hmmm... I wonder if that's how it got started... Seems like TSO 23 was started around WWII... Keep 'em coming... I loves this shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #12 February 7, 2004 QuoteWould a tandem harness system be legal if the passenger harness was certified to only 150 pounds and the Parachutists in Command’s harness was certified to 250 pounds, both at 175 knots (assuming the system passed all the other TSO requirements)? Yes, 400 lbs. total for both at 175 KIAS QuoteWhat is the maximum pull force on the cutaway handle to release the main canopy for TSO C23-D? 22 pounds QuoteFor TSO C23-D, how many hours must the assembly be held at 200 or more degrees Fahrenheit, cooled to ambient temperature then test dropped? 16 hours QuoteFor a harness/container system rated to 300 pounds and a reserve rated to 300 pounds, what is the maximum time from pack opening to a fully functional parachute for TSO C23-D? 3.5 sec./ 3 sec for up to 250 pounds and .01 sec. for every pound over 250 pounds. QuoteFor the same system as the previous question, how many seconds are allowed from pack opening to a fully functional parachute when the system is pack with 3 line twists? 4.5 sec. same as above but add 1 sec. for line twists. QuoteFor the same system above, how many feet of altitude can be lost from pack opening to a fully functional canopy? 350 ft. , 250 feet for parachutes rated up to 250 pounds and 1 foot for every pound over 250. QuoteWhat is the maximum rate of descent for a reserve canopy when loaded at not less than the maximum operating weight for TSO C23-D? Average (6 drops) shall not exceed 24 ft/s and the total velocity shall not exceed 36 ft/s. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #13 February 7, 2004 Quote3.5 sec./ 3 sec for up to 250 pounds and .01 sec. for every pound over 250 pounds. This one's is 8 seconds. 3 seconds + .1*50 = 8 seconds. Quote4.5 sec. same as above but add 1 sec. for line twists. This one's is 9 seconds. 3 seconds + 1 second + .1*50 = 9 seconds. Quote350 ft. , 250 feet for parachutes rated up to 250 pounds and 1 foot for every pound over 250. Correct, except it is 300 feet for 250 pounds or less and 1 foot for every pound over 250. Aside from the math, nicely done. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydivingNurse 0 #14 February 7, 2004 Wow, seeing this stuff makes the stuff I'm reading for my "A" seem like kids stuff. My hat is off to you guys. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #15 February 7, 2004 QuoteQuote3.5 sec./ 3 sec for up to 250 pounds and .01 sec. for every pound over 250 pounds. This one's is 8 seconds. 3 seconds + .1*50 = 8 seconds. Quote4.5 sec. same as above but add 1 sec. for line twists. This one's is 9 seconds. 3 seconds + 1 second + .1*50 = 9 seconds. Quote350 ft. , 250 feet for parachutes rated up to 250 pounds and 1 foot for every pound over 250. Correct, except it is 300 feet for 250 pounds or less and 1 foot for every pound over 250. Aside from the math, nicely done. Derek Derek, The factor is 0.01 not 0.1. 50 x 0.01 = 0.5. hense 3.5 sec. and 4.5 sec. 8 or 9 sec. would be between 800 and 900 ft. It is 300 not 250, my bad. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #16 February 7, 2004 QuoteWow, seeing this stuff makes the stuff I'm reading for my "A" seem like kids stuff. My hat is off to you guys. Leonard, AS-8015B makes for great light reading in the eveinig, right Derek? SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nightjumps 1 #17 February 7, 2004 QuoteFor the same system as the previous question, how many seconds are allowed from pack opening to a fully functional parachute when the system is pack with 3 line twists? 4.5 sec. same as above but add 1 sec. for line twists. QUESTION How much of a head start do you actually give a rigger who packed 3 line twists in a reserve? ANSWER Add 1 second. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #18 February 7, 2004 QuoteQuoteIIRC, a D used to be a "Master Parachutist" Right, it used to be, but check the SIM's section 3-1. The licenses no longer have titles. A technicality to be sure. Derek My "D" was issued in 1980, and it says "Expert", not "Master"."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #19 February 7, 2004 QuoteANSWER Add 1 second. C'mon! You've got to give enough time for them to "explain" that the line twists were from you're unusual body position on opening. That takes at least 3 seconds Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #20 February 7, 2004 Quote q:If exiting at or above 10,000 feet, what minimum size hole through any clouds must be present if the jumpers were to fall through the center of the hole? a: One mile horizontal cloud clearance at or above 10,000 feet, means you need a two mile diameter opening minimum if you jumped through the very center of the opening. Unless the cloud is 1,200ft or less agl or at the time you go through the hole you are less than 10,000msl, in which case 4000ft will do. The clearance requirement isn't tied to the exit.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #21 February 7, 2004 QuoteQuoteFor the same system as the previous question, how many seconds are allowed from pack opening to a fully functional parachute when the system is pack with 3 line twists? 4.5 sec. same as above but add 1 sec. for line twists. QUESTION How much of a head start do you actually give a rigger who packed 3 line twists in a reserve? ANSWER Add 1 second. Thats giving him/her more time than I would. Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #22 February 7, 2004 QuoteThe factor is 0.01 not 0.1. 50 x 0.01 = 0.5. hense 3.5 sec. and 4.5 sec. 8 or 9 sec. would be between 800 and 900 ft. You are absolutely correct, got me Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nightjumps 1 #23 February 11, 2004 QuoteWhat minimum equipment does the FAA require for a first skydive? The important part of this question is how it was asked. It depends on “intent.” An aerobatic pilot’s rig is a single FAA approved canopy and tso’d harness. However, they do not have the “intent” of exiting the aircraft. As the question is asked here and FAR’s section 1.1 and 105.3 would indicate; “A parachutist making an intentional jump is to wear a single harness dual pack parachute having at least one main parachute and one approved auxiliary/reserve parachute. The main pack need not be an approved type, but the auxiliary/reserve pack and the harness are required to be an FAA-approved type. The FAA issues a TSO which specifies the minimum performance standard for materials,parts, processes, or appliances used on civil aircraft.” If someone asks, “What is the FAA minimum requirement to exit an aircraft?” or “What is the FAA minimum requirement to make an intentional skydive?” would determine the correct response. Sound right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #24 February 11, 2004 QuoteMy "D" was issued in 1980, and it says "Expert", not "Master". I have in my hand my original D-license signed by Bill Ottley; it says "Master Licence". It was issued in 1985. Chuck Blue Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #25 February 11, 2004 My "D" license, issued 8/01/78 also says "Expert". US FAI CLASS D (Expert) PARACHUTIST LICENSE SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
