Remster 30 #26 April 5, 2004 I'm pretty sure it does... from memory... but then again, I'm getting old and confuse things....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydog 2 #27 April 5, 2004 Quote It requires 2 pilots? Oh man I didn't know that actually. That blows. Yah, when you start hiring 2 pilots to do one pilot's job you don't make any money flying that plane with jumpers. The Lets we had were all single crew. So not really an issue. BrynJourney not destination..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #28 April 5, 2004 QuoteQuote It requires 2 pilots? Oh man I didn't know that actually. That blows. Yah, when you start hiring 2 pilots to do one pilot's job you don't make any money flying that plane with jumpers. The Lets we had were all single crew. So not really an issue. Bryn Oh, ok. Wheeeeww... Man I thought I had heard it was a single pilot plane but got confused. Some ops may choose to fly it with two pilots but it seems that only one is required. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #29 April 5, 2004 I guess its true that memory is the 2nd thing to go..... Sorry for the confusion!Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #30 April 5, 2004 QuoteThe reason the LET 410 does not fly in the US is becuase no one has bothered to get it certified to fly in the US. And to do that it would cost $$. A couple of years ago an effort was made to get an Israeli aircraft certified for flying in the US. Was going to cost big $$ to do. That isn't an entirely accurate statement, Chris. There was at least one LET 410 that was being used to fly contract missions for the Army on Fort Bragg; it crashed on a blown MPU (message pick-up) contract flight for my last unit. Unless I am mistaken, that contract plane generally operated out of Smithfield, NC. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #31 April 5, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe reason the LET 410 does not fly in the US is becuase no one has bothered to get it certified to fly in the US. And to do that it would cost $$. A couple of years ago an effort was made to get an Israeli aircraft certified for flying in the US. Was going to cost big $$ to do. That isn't an entirely accurate statement, Chris. There was at least one LET 410 that was being used to fly contract missions for the Army on Fort Bragg; it crashed on a blown MPU (message pick-up) contract flight for my last unit. Unless I am mistaken, that contract plane generally operated out of Smithfield, NC. Chuck Military aircraft do not necessarily conform to civilian regulations. They can do whatever they want. They can fly whatever they want. But when civilians are involved they have to be at least FAA "Normal Category" certified to carry passengers. I remember years ago at Quincy they brought in the "Sky Truck" and everyone onboard was a "potential buyer" to get around the regulation. But it certainly isn't something that flys regularly in the US.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adamsr 0 #32 April 5, 2004 I've jumped a few of these and it varies from place to place wether they have 1 or 2 crew. I've jumped the http://www.skyservice.cz/cz/ Let out in Czech and they had 3 crew, 2 pilots and a guy in the back to open and shut the door. Also the number of skydivers varies from 16 at some places to 18 or 19 at others, pretty much depends on the country you are jumping in i think. Generally though they are nice aircraft, quick climbing, huge door, pretty roomy inside and really nice to jump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #33 April 5, 2004 Ya know, I am very curious to know what the certification process actually costs. In a real quick search, I found these prices (in USD) for UVP-E (ex-paratroop, 5-blade prop): 17 passengers max + cargo: Sn 861712, built 1986, 1052 TTSN, L/R engines 299/469 SOH: $180,000. Sn 861713, built 1986, 698 TTSN, L/R engines 717/717 SOH: $185,000. Sn 861714, built 1986, 995 TTSN, L/R engines 1032/859 SOH: $184,000. Sn 861715, built 1986, 916 TTSN, L/R engines 630/1291SOH: $180,000. Sn 861717, built 1986, 714 TTSN, L/R engines 137/137 SOH: $200,000. Really, those prices are not bad for potential jump planes. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BBKid 0 #34 April 5, 2004 Who said it needed two pilots? The one we had at Peterlee didn't, unless I was awarded a pilot rating without anyone telling me! Nick --------------------------- "I've pierced my foot on a spike!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #35 April 5, 2004 QuoteMilitary aircraft do not necessarily conform to civilian regulations. They can do whatever they want. They can fly whatever they want. The aircraft I am talking about was not a military plane. It was, at best, a "grey" airplane. It was contracted by the military to fly this mission because the air guy at SWC found out he could get it for $50 per hour less than he was paying Raeford Aviation for their Super Otter. The operator, unfortunately, did not have the requisite experience in night, blacked out, message pickup operations and he balled the airplane up in the woods at the end of the grass field. You get what you pay for. It's pretty rare these days that "real" military planes get used for training missions. STI, Evergreen, Raeford Aviation, and one or two others are who flies most of this stuff. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pendragon 1 #36 April 5, 2004 QuoteAlso the number of skydivers varies from 16 at some places to 18 or 19 at others, pretty much depends on the country you are jumping in i think. ...and whether the dropzone has a runway that can take the weight! Grass runways = more room in the plane! -- BASE #1182 Muff #3573 PFI #52; UK WSI #13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #37 April 5, 2004 goooooooooo headorn! our let is coming back at the end of april..! woo hoo!! although when its really hot, we have to leave a few jumpers behind. I rememer last summer there was always bets as to if it would clear the fence at the end of the runway Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #38 April 5, 2004 QuoteSTI, Evergreen, Raeford Aviation STI is now Blackwater Aviation Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #39 April 5, 2004 Someone once told me the AN2 giant biplane could never be used in this country commercially because of pressure from the American aircraft industry.I wonder if the LET faces the same hurdles? In some ways the Brits are more restrictive than our own FAA, yet they fly these aircraft.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #40 April 6, 2004 QuoteWho said it needed two pilots? The one we had at Peterlee didn't, unless I was awarded a pilot rating without anyone telling me! Did you read all the posts? http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1018771#1018771 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #41 April 6, 2004 The LET 410 is pretty common all over Europe. If there are FAA restrictions on 'ferrin' planes its a real shame. You guys would just love the AN72 (medium/large tailgate jet) that shows up at Vichy, and I'm sure it could pay for itself pretty quickly. The AN2 is fun, but only for novelty value, with its climb rate, you'd be better off using a long ladder. I'm not entirely sure its two pilots we often see on LETs, I seem to recall somebody saying the second guy was a flight engineer, but I'm not certain.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adriandavies 0 #42 April 6, 2004 BPS at Langar in the UK used a Let for many years but recently there were issues with getting it approved by the CAA every year. No one knew when it was going to turn up until it actually landed. Langar has a concrete runway but the plane was still limited I think to 17 jumpers. It had two pilots and one ground crew. Last year they also seemd to have problems with the hire company not supporting the aircraft well enough ie not enough spares! It also had the most Heath Robinson style door which required two people to open it and then as a safety measure it was held in place with a bunjee cord! It was though a fantastic plane to jump out of. Fast, big door, loads of room inside, and with a pilot who could get it down on the ground faster than some skydivers. It also fulfilled a role until BPS could afford to buy their own second turbine, another Grand Caravan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hanka 0 #43 April 6, 2004 World of L410: http://www.planes.cz/ - click on english version - world of L410AFFcentrum.cz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #44 April 6, 2004 Quote It had two pilots and one ground crew. I guess I wasnt going senile.... Langar is where I jumped Lets most of the time....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faicon9493 141 #45 April 6, 2004 QuoteSomeone once told me the AN2 giant biplane could never be used in this country commercially because of pressure from the American aircraft industry.I wonder if the LET faces the same hurdles? In some ways the Brits are more restrictive than our own FAA, yet they fly these aircraft. Many years ago, I made some jumps at a dropzone (now closed) in Hebron, Illinois. They had a AN-2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #46 April 7, 2004 There was also one at Quincy one year. I think the FAA turned a blind eye on these aircraft for a short time. A lot were bought with the hope they could eventually be used for commercial operations. It just didn't happen.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speer 0 #47 April 7, 2004 I believe there is an AN-2 at Cable Airport, in Upland California. I've seen it in the air at least once... Russ Generally, it is your choice; will your life serve as an example... or a warning? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #48 April 7, 2004 Quotedoor which required two people to open it and then as a safety measure it was held in place with a bunjee cord! Sounds like every small door Beech 18, not so unusual in the past.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #49 April 7, 2004 There are lots of them here owned by private owners. I think they are restricted from commercial use.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BBKid 0 #50 April 7, 2004 QuoteQuoteWho said it needed two pilots? The one we had at Peterlee didn't, unless I was awarded a pilot rating without anyone telling me! Did you read all the posts? http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1018771#1018771 I did read 'em all, but my refresh rate must be mental - I posted right after the guy who first said it need 2! Nick --------------------------- "I've pierced my foot on a spike!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
