Currency on paper

[PhreeZone 20]

With the recent talk of currency and how most of the northern jumpers are lacking currency as the season is starting I was wondering people opinions on forging logbook jumps to be "current". The USPA has the currency requirements for each licence level, but I know there are people that don't want to pay the money or feel that they need to be retrained if they go uncurrent. I've seen a few people like that just pencil in jumps so that they appear to be current.

I know with the lower licences its sometimes hard not to go uncurrent in the winter, but I think thats part of the reason that the currency dates are so short for low time jumpers. To drill things into their heads and to make sure they actually jump and learn.

Whats everyones thoughts on this?

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[mjosparky 4]

If you forge it you are lying. That makes you a liar. Simple. How else could you look at it?
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[ladyskydiver 0]

Having lived in the northern climate, I can say that I jumped over the winter - just to keep current. Hated the cold, but I didn't want to get uncurrent.

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[Nightingale 0]

a logbook is your personal record... why would you want false info in there?

I'd just do the recurrency jump.

[DShiznit 0]

I live in Texas. I don't have that problem.

I went uncurrent by three days while trying to get my A, was told by the S&TA that it was ok.

I wouldn't forge anything, it is afterall for my safety.

[davelepka 4]

Interesting poll. What's also interesting is the newer jumpers who will go make one skydive to stay current. While they may meet the minimum qualifications for being 'current' I would hardly describe them as such.

I agree with your observation that the currentcy requirements are short for the lower licenses in order to have them repeat some training. I think that the above scenario nullifies the intent of the currency requirements. As of this posting, the "go make a jump to saty curent" option has recieved the most votes.

Again, interesting.

[billvon 3,090]

>If you forge it you are lying. That makes you a liar. Simple. How else
>could you look at it?

I know several people who sign waivers even though they don't agree with them (i.e. they would still sue.) They manage to convince themselves that they aren't lying as well. So apparently it's possible.

[eeneR 3]

Sometimes things happen that cause you to loose currency. USPA has their rules...and well I have my own too. According to USPA I had not lost my currency in the last few months, however in my eyes I did. I chose to sit thru a refresher course, and my first jump back I did a 2 way with one of the organizers/instructors.

Pretending you are current when you are not, makes you not only a danger to yourself, but a danger to those in the air around you. People really need to think before they act. Forging your log book because you dont want to pay to be safe? it amazes me how many people really have the attitude that they are not going to get hurt or that they dangerous, but yet take no steps to ensure that, and make bad judgment calls...because they think what they want, with out looking at what reality says. Sigh....

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[Michele 1]

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I'd just do the recurrency jump.

Yup. I bit the financial bullet and did it, because there's a reason for it...if you forge a jump (which would be very easy to do in my case as I go to two DZ's), you're lying.

People who take the short-cut in forging also may take shortcuts in gear maintenance, and safety in the air, and...and...you get the point.

No reason to lie. Just get recurrent.

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[bertusgeert 1]

I was wondering on this as well.... The SIM is kinda confusing....

Over the winter I did my monthly jumps to stay current. It was cold, but I did. This was b4 my A liscence. Now I have it.

Can I go 3 months without jumping? 89 days and jump on the 90th and still be ok?

I just did a hop and pop one time, with an instructor watching. I was 2 weeks past currency. I think it was a great way to get used to it again. Drill it in on the ground, do a hop and pop, and then a high altitude jump supervised. ANyhow....

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[meltdown 0]

>If you forge it you are lying. That makes you a liar. Simple. How else
>could you look at it?

I know several people who sign waivers even though they don't agree with them (i.e. they would still sue.) They manage to convince themselves that they aren't lying as well. So apparently it's possible.

Good point. In fact, this mindset seems to be a way of life for a lot of people.

[rehmwa 2]

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Yup. I bit the financial bullet . . .

A good DZ will have a free recurrency course to kick start the season and bring in the jumpers.

Personally, I stay current.

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[Hummusx 0]

As far as I can tell the 'Currency Requirements' in the SIM are actually recommendations. If this is the case, then what is required to be 'current' should be evaluated on a case by case basis based on what is known about a particular student. Right?

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[kai2k1 0]

I am still a student, so I have to jump at least once every 30 days.

I braved the winter even if it was just a jump to stay current. I DO NOT believe in forging log books. It somehow "cheapens" the very reason i am in this sport.

If and when I ever go uncurrent I will pay the cost of recurrency training.

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[samyueru 0]

While I don't believe in forging log books, I can kind of see how people would.
I haven't jumped since December because I'm not comfortable about jumping in cold weather yet. So, since it's nice out now, I'm going about becoming current. $100 for ground training, plus a coached jump IS expensive. In my case, it's definately NEEDED, with my very, very low experience. And if you're higher up there in jump numbers, I could see why people wouldn't want to pay that much for something they may feel unnecessary.

Again, I'm not siding with forging - obviously safety and integrity are pretty important in the sport...I can just see where the idea would come from.

[Zenister 0]

pencil whipping anything is wrong..

i did a few h&p's during the crappy months (when i was around) so i was reasonably current on landing and canopy control, but i did take the chance to get some ff coaching while i was in eloy to dust off my skills and make sure i wasnt starting over with bad habits...

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