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Okay so what do you think about "Me" becoming a tandemmaster?

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Okay, so I just got off the phone with a friend of mine from the DZ who is a full timer. Amazing guy: 21 years old, AFF Instructor, Rigger, Pilot, Vidiet and now wanting to go for his Tandem rating.

After a short conversation he started asking me all these odd questions relating to my skydiving experience. How many jumps, how many years skydiving, etc.

Next thing I know he is all serious about asking me to go get my tandem rating with him and telling me what a great tandemmaster I would be. I nearly laughed my ass off and told him basically the only appealing part of it was how much fun we'd have doing it together. We are both sort of youngin newbie instructors and riggers at the DZ.

After discussing it with him further and telling him why I would not be interested, I pictured myself walking to the door with a tandem passenger attached to me, leaving the airplane and throwing the drogue. For an instant it was even a :S>:(:):)
I guess it isn't taking tandems that worries me, probably mostly the fact that I am "little". Only 5'3"-5'4"; and on a good day 125 pounds, on a very bad day 130 pounds. People have approached me on this topic before and my response to them was a predictabe :D:D:D No, :| every time.

My biggest concern is having that "manly" upper body strength to flare again and again on tandems. It is never bad to have a new motivation for building upper body strength but are little people like me "built" to take tandems? I don't know a whole lot about it. I've packed more of 'em than I care to remember, watched them in the plane, videoed them in freefall, but never seriously considered becoming one of "them".

I have also heard it is the most dangerous form of skydiving and that sidespins are most likely to happen with smaller passengers. With my build it seems like I would most likely be taking smaller passengers.

So, my friend is real serious about going to the tandem course together this summer, what do you all think? :S
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guess it isn't taking tandems that worries me, probably mostly the fact that I am "little". Only 5'3"-5'4"; and on a good day 125 pounds, on a very bad day 130 pounds. People have approached me on this topic before and my response to them was a predictabe No, every time.



If you're serious about trying, then set yourself some limits. Say you won't take anyone 25% over your body weight to start with. That will make the exits, and landings easier.

No reason why you couldn't be a great TI, just don't push those limits too fast, or allow the staff to pressure you into doing it.
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Go for it! If you reallly want to give it a try, but don't let anyone pressure you in to it.

And, like diablopilot said, set your personal limits and stick to them.;)

I personally think there is nothing more rewarding than being part of someones first skydive:)

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Connie Krusi is a great, consistent tandem master and is about 5'4". She really uses leverage to flare the canopy, and uses a different body position to do it than some of the beefier TM's.

On that note, we have a male tandem master who does not have enough upper body strength for the job, in my opinion.

I think the gear matters too. All the TM's at my DZ really like the new Aerodyne tandem canopy for it's flare characteristics.

But no matter what, do it because you want to. Not because someone else does. It's a big responsibility.

I'll tackle that one after I get my AFF.

I still like the camera thing best, though.

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As someone who allowed herself to be talked into doing tandems I would recommend that a person get a tandem rating only if they personally have a strong desire to do tandems. Looking back I should have gone with my first reaction to the comment "You should get a tandem rating" - which of course was "Are you freakin' insane?" :D

I don't doubt that you could do everything that is physically required. Your height/weight aren't really an issue - I know several female tandem instructors who are basically your size; at least one of them can and will take passengers of any size.

I was pretty weak in the upper body when I started doing tandems - could barely do one pullup and I needed the student's help to flare (especially if I was on my third or fourth jump of the day). By the time I'd done 50 or so tandems I could do 4 pull ups and could easily flare those huge F111 421's without the student's assistance all day long. What upper body strength you need will come with time.

It is dangerous. Tandems aren't "just another skydive." You have to stay very current doing them. You're completely responsible for the safety of your passenger - who in some cases will be actively trying to kill both of you. You'll have to deal with a "malfunction tree" that will boggle your mind - and the wrong reaction to a particular mal can kill both of you.

It's not an easy decision to make... personally doing tandems is not something I'd encourage someone to do if they didn't already really want to do them.

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My biggest concern is having that "manly" upper body strength to flare again and again on tandems. never seriously considered becoming one of "them".


I hope you have really strong knees.


bozo ...did lots and lots of tandems.


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I'll tackle that one after I get my AFF.



I hope you mean AFF-I ;)

As for doing tandems, I don't know much about them myself, but there is a small guy at my dz who regularly does them, and he usually takes the larger passengers. He can handle them in freefall and it means they are not loading the canopy too high. Its funny watching them go to flightline though, with him practically piggybacking the tandem passenger.

You say smaller passenger are more likely to cause sidespins. What does smaller mean? Smaller compared to the average person, or smaller compared to the actual tandem master? I would have thought it means smaller compared to the tandem master, but I'm just guessing.

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Connie Krusi is a great, consistent tandem master and is about 5'4". She really uses leverage to flare the canopy, and uses a different body position to do it than some of the beefier TM's.



Deuce, I am really curious what you mean by the leverage she uses. Seriously, I think I could do tandems (I can't believe these words are coming out of my mouth). I have been stating with great conviction for the last few years that will never be me. But now, for some screwy reason it's not sounding all that bad. That is, if I can find a way to flare that huge sucka.
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Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say."

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Hey Jen...what do YOU think?:S Are you okay with a tandem barfing?:o passing out? shit their pants?:o:o or going pike on exit?:o I respect all TMs as I think they have the skeery-ist role of all! But if you want to...you definitely have the compassion and patience to be a good TM! ;) You have my support, girl!:P

Hey..brainstorm! I can be one of your first Tandems and do all of the above for a thrill of your life!:D





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Hey Jen...what do YOU think?:S Are you okay with a tandem barfing?:o passing out? shit their pants?:o:o or going pike on exit?:o I respect all TMs as I think they have the skeery-ist role of all! But if you want to...you definitely have the compassion and patience to be a good TM! ;) You have my support, girl!:P

Hey..brainstorm! I can be one of your first Tandems and do all of the above for a thrill of your life!:D



RockyMountain:

Don't forget, I am a Mommy. So the barfing, shitting in pants thing isn't enough to scare me off. I'd just have to steal all the barfbags on commercial flights and keep a couple handy in my jumpsuit just in case.

And as far as skeery-est, yeah being attached to them I would want some level of confidence that I could control them in any situation physically. That is the scary part but as far as not knowing what to expect, AFF is not a lot different.

Being a skydiving instructor is a little like gambling in Vegas. In Vegas you pull the handle on a slot machine and you're not sure what is going to come out. It's not a whole lot different with a first time jump student when the door of the airplane opens.
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Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say."

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Bozo, what haven't you done :S

(Mr. Flying Elvis in the movies, etc. >:() :P;)




Uh...lets see.....Ive never been President of the United States.

What I was trying to impart is this. Almost all my Tandems were done in the hard Nevada desert, this beat the daylights out of mine and quite of few other TMs knees.
Personally speaking I loved doing tandems but I think it was Lisa that said....its not just another skydive. It sure aint.

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Hi Jen,

Thanks for posting about this. I'm not there yet (still want another couple hundred jumps), but I've been thinking about whether or not I would want to pursue something like this myself.

I don't think height matters much, because I know some extremely talented "short" tandem masters. But I am very concerned about upper body strength. I've been the "test dummy" on a bunch of tandems for friends getting their rating. Those canopies take a lot more muscle to turn and flare.

Also, I'm not a mommy, and someone puking on me would be really really bad. Hahaha.

It sounds like you have the experience and the desire. You can work on the muscle. I say give it a try if you have it in your heart to do so.

Good luck, girl!
Liz

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I think you'd be an awesome TM. You really seem to enjoy teaching students and have passion for the sport. I was planning on becoming a TM this summer, but after breaking my ankle i decided against it. I really think the sport needs more female TMs. When i made my first jump 5 years ago, i would've preferred to have a female, but none were available to me. Go for it!!

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Uh...lets see.....Ive never been President of the United States.


bozo



The Bozo in the White House isn't you?:o

Like the old song says Professor....."We're all Bozos on this bus ".


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You say smaller passenger are more likely to cause sidespins. What does smaller mean? Smaller compared to the average person, or smaller compared to the actual tandem master? I would have thought it means smaller compared to the tandem master, but I'm just guessing.



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Smaller passengers have smaller minds.
The closest I ever came to dying during a tandem was when a 90 pound girl grabbed my left thumb near pull altitude.
Remember this was before Cypres was invented or Vectors had two drogue release handles.
The problem is that small passengers are confident that I can solve every problem they can throw at me.

I do not share their confidence.

Big guys (anyone bigger than me: 6 feet tall, 190 pounds) are bright enough to understand that if they do something stupid, they will kill both of us. Big guys listen much better during ground school and follow directions better in the air.

The only time I got into a sidespin was with a guy my size who had few muscles and even fewer brain cells. He spent the entire freefall in a reverse arch. Oddly, he could not get his feet out in front for landing.

Passenger size also affects balance. Heavier students tend to flip you belly to earth, whereas lighter students just flop all over the sky.

In conclusion, start doing push-ups, chin-ups, squats and sit-ups. You will need all those muscles - especially core muscles - to do tandems. We need more female tandem instructors.

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