VectorBoy 0 #26 June 8, 2004 Gouged? They've got as much as anyone, or any business, to make a profit. Right? Remember, it was the merchant that agreed to abide by their rules No business on the planet has a RIGHT to make a profit. Profits come from smart business practices. There is a lot of slop in the CC companies practices. They are throwing credit at people who shouldn't have it, they barely do a thing about fraud. And why should they? They will make up there losses by increasing charges to the merchants and to the end user. Its cheaper, easier and a no -brainer. So the next time you complain about the price of your credit purchased jump tickets going up just remember that you are helping somebody fraudulently get something for nothing. And this is the "no hassle"way of smoothing it all out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packerboy 3 #27 June 8, 2004 My DZ charges a little less if you pay cash. Not directly because of the CC charges, probably indirectly. We get our Av-gas cheaper if we pay cash for it, not sure if that is because of the same reason, but probably. So getting the gas cheaper is our incentive to get cash from people... -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #28 June 8, 2004 QuoteIn other words, the people who pay cash are subsidizing the jumps of the credit card users. Nearly everything else you purchase in life has the same subsidy. We also subsidize the cost of shoplifting, breakage, employee theft, etc., etc., etc. Insurance rates are not based solely on your performance but everyone in your group. And if they have big losses in a year because of a natural disaster we all get to pay more. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #29 June 9, 2004 QuoteProfits come from smart business practices. There is a lot of slop in the CC companies practices. They are throwing credit at people who shouldn't have it, they barely do a thing about fraud. And why should they? They will make up there losses by increasing charges to the merchants and to the end user. Its cheaper, easier and a no -brainer. This is getting so far off topic it's not even funny, but what the hell. 1. I won't debate my use of the term 'right' with regards to profits. That's just silly. 2. You mention smart business practices. Did you consider that in many cases it is ultimately less expensive for credit card companies to write off losses due to fraud than it is to complete a full investigation and prosecution? I'm guessing that you didn't. 3. As for 'throwing credit at people who shouldn't have it', well, that's for them to decide, not you. Rest assured though, the major issuers are careful about who does and who does not get credit. Higher risk customers get higher interest rates. It all balances out in the end. 4. 'they barely do a thing about fraud', they're doing more about fraud than I think you know. Back-end technologies catch fraud at the authorization stage and new front-end technologies that go even further to prevent fraud are emerging every day. Like I said, off topic, but what the hell. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #30 June 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteWell, it's illegal for vendors to charge a Credit Card usage fee, so my dz offers a "cash discount" I'm sure that's why so many others do the same. They also consider the cash discount a fee for using the credit card. It's the same thing, just packaged differently. If one were to call Visa/MC and complain, they'd still get their account yanked for charging a fee for CC use. The other side of it is one of consistency and integrity. What DZ doesn't have a lengthy waiver you have to sign? Some even make you watch a video explaining the waiver and stressing how it will stand up in court no matter what your family does, because you signed the contract. Then those same DZs happily sign Visa/MC merchant contracts and instantly violate their agreements. "Well, what about my profit margin?" and "Everyone else does it" are damned sad excuses. Don't like the agreements? Don't accept credit cards. If you sign the contract, honor your obligations. Whether you eat it as a cost of business or pass it on as some small ($.50) general price increase is your choice, but drop the hypocritical double-standard and act like mature business people. Not busting on you, Michael. Taking what you said a step further. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swooper120 0 #31 June 9, 2004 My DZ...same price cash or credit. Its all good!! -swooper120 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #32 June 9, 2004 Quote QuoteProfits come from smart business practices. There is a lot of slop in the CC companies practices. They are throwing credit at people who shouldn't have it, they barely do a thing about fraud. And why should they? They will make up there losses by increasing charges to the merchants and to the end user. Its cheaper, easier and a no -brainer. This is getting so far off topic it's not even funny, but what the hell. 2. You mention smart business practices. Did you consider that in many cases it is ultimately less expensive for credit card companies to write off losses due to fraud than it is to complete a full investigation and prosecution? I'm guessing that you didn't.Quote Not only am I aware of it I mention it. Its the last sentence you are replying to.. >3. As for 'throwing credit at people who shouldn't >have it', well, that's for them to decide, not you. Jim Really don't feel this way when I'm bombarded with preapproved CC at my home in not only my name but variations of my name or nick names. Sounds like they are going off of some list... and not an application that I requested. Maybe that other CC companies are selling..... Hmmmmn? But you are right this tangent is silly and off topic. But while we are here I would have to say that I've heard the DZ staff complain more about CC fees than the cost of Avfuel. And now back to our main topic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #33 June 9, 2004 QuoteNot busting on you, Michael. Taking what you said a step further. Not a problem. I'm still a bit peeved at a FL DZ that charged the CC fee and then didn't give it back to me when winds and such didn't allow me to jump everything off. Emailed the DZO directly to inquire about their process/procedure for this and never got a response. Guess I won't go back or recommend this DZ to my traveling friends. ----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #34 June 9, 2004 Write a review in the dropzones section. In fact, whether or not a DZ charges a credit card fee might be a good piece of info for the dropzones database here. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evelyn 0 #35 June 11, 2004 At Perris jump tickets cost $1000 fo 60 if you pay by cash, credit catd it's like $1060 for 60. Better to buy cash. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing ~ Helen Keller Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatbomb 0 #36 June 11, 2004 Quotecharged the CC fee and then didn't give it back to me when winds and such didn't allow me to jump everything off. You used the CC service, and paid for it. Just cos you got your money for the jumps back, why should you get the money for the service back...it's like saying if you cross a toll, then come back, you should get your toll fee back! You probably actually got away with one, because the DZ will have been charged to refund you, as well --- Swoopert, CS-Aiiiiiii! Piccies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
