kelpdiver 2 #26 June 16, 2004 Quote >It's easy to say new jumpers should be responsible, but it's also a bit of a copout. I don't see what I'm copping out of. I love to help people learn in skydiving. I will answer any question asked or find the answer for them. What I'm trying to say is that while I agree that there are a lot of people who probably need more gear training to be as safe as they could be, I don't think the best way to do it is to assign another rule or required class or merit badge. I'm not qualified to state if a class is required - I think the dust can settle on the most recent changes first. I'm just pointing out that if you rely on individuals to self train themselves (in anything) that there will inevitably be gaps. If the consensus is that many jumpers know much less than they should, it may be enough just to have a singular list of what matters. We already have Bill's downsizing sheet, Kallend's exit separation program. Give me 6 months to get a clue and lots of Q&A time with you riggers and I'd do the same if the need still exists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OnYourBack 0 #27 June 16, 2004 >Give me 6 months to get a clue and lots of Q&A time with you riggers and I'd do the same if the need still exists. Thats a great idea. Come up with "kelpdiver's gear go over." Then get it out to as many people as possible. That is the way I would like to see change come about. Just don't make a new rule. Man, I'm starting to think I have a complex regarding authority or something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #28 June 16, 2004 I know that when I did my ground School we went in at least some detail over the rig, how it worked, what happened when a cutaway was performed, etc... but every time I pick up a rig I look it over and will continue to ask the instructors/coaches to review things with me... cause repeating and practice is the only way to get it to where it is second nature. Mostly any learning be it gear, RW, Canopy control, etc... is ultimately the responsibility of the student. Life Time learning... My plan is to learn everything I can until something that I learn Kills me... ILivin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
damion75 0 #29 June 16, 2004 QuoteIf the consensus is that many jumpers know much less than they should, it may be enough just to have a singular list of what matters. We already have Bill's downsizing sheet, Kallend's exit separation program. Give me 6 months to get a clue and lots of Q&A time with you riggers and I'd do the same if the need still exists. Winning plan - you can ask HH to put it up in the safety section! Seriously, perhaps one of the gear store gurus or mods might have time to knock up a piece on the basics of how a rig works? *************** Not one shred of evidence supports the theory that life is serious - look at the platypus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tearseyes 0 #30 June 17, 2004 Well I did my ground school about 3 months ago and I had to learn how the three ring system works. Like someone else said to get you A you have to know how to pack and give someone else a gear check as well as learn how to change a closing loop. I think they are doing a great job at my DZ with teaching us about our gear. The instuctor makes us do our own gear check before we jump and he goes over our gear as well. Just as a personal note I think if someone really wanted to know about thier gear and how it worked they should just talk to a rigger or someone that has knowledge of gear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyyhi 0 #31 June 18, 2004 I spoke with my FJC instructor this morning - PMing is more like it - what happened in my case is not the norm. Since I already knew how to pack, I just had to demonstrate my packing skills for the instructor. I neglected to mention during the demonstration that I had, in fact, never disconnected a three-ring system myself, only seen it demonstrated. My bad for not being more aggressive with the learning curve. . .demonstrating versus actually physically doing are two different animals. . . Now I know. . .________________________________________ Take risks not to escape life… but to prevent life from escaping. ~ A bumper sticker at the DZ FGF #6 Darcy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #32 June 18, 2004 The key is several small blocks of instruction, spaced at a pace that junior jumpers can absorb. For example, if the first jump course contains much more than what a good main canopy looks like, pull left to turn left and pull both to stop ..... you are overloading a first-timer. Gear checks should come later. Riser turns should come later. Packing should come later. Connecting 3-rings should come later ... And this learning process should be a life-long task. For example, after 27years skydiving and close to 3,000 reserve pack jobs, my latest challenge is learning how to make Vortex II reserves look pretty. ... In small blocks of instruction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
