SpinDoctor 0 #26 February 3, 2004 QuoteWhat should be included in a BASIC canopy control course? Consider these, with coaching and video debrief: - Straight in approach - Flare point , stall point (general canopy familliarisation up high) - Flat turn techniques (half brakes raising one toggle / quarter brakes pulling on one toggle / mixture of the two) - Landing in half brakes (excellent practice for potential collision avoidance manouevre (sp?) esp. after flat turn - toggle stalls (beware on eliptical canopies) - rear riser stalls - deep spots and glide techniques ( 1/4 1/2 3/4 brakes / rear riser) - plus some other stuff here too: basic aerodynamics, flight plans etc. ** disclaimer - I am not an instructor - these are the drills that were briefed and practiced on the Scott Miller Essential Canopy Skills course **----------------------- Connextion: British 8 Way Team www.bodyflight.co.uk ----------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bsoder 0 #27 February 3, 2004 That looks pretty reasonable to me, I would have liked to have had that list as part of my AFF course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpinDoctor 0 #28 February 3, 2004 i think there's enough to rememeber doing AFF (or any other first time jumps) as it is. I certainly would have like to be introduced to these sort of things between, say, 50 and 100 jumps. Sometime where you have some idea of what you're doing and can understand some of the basic concepts - but hopfully will not have that mentality that you're invincible and start doing really stupid things.----------------------- Connextion: British 8 Way Team www.bodyflight.co.uk ----------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyyhi 0 #29 February 3, 2004 Some of these things were introduced during AFF and continue to be discussed with me during my student status jumps. . .Riser turns, rear riser stalls, front riser dives, flat turns, braked approaches, testing stall capabilities of canopy, etc. Now at my current level it is up to me to continue to practice these techniques so that I can perform them when necessary. HOWEVER, I still feel the need for a canopy control course. I can get my canopy to the ground and my flare height judgement is pretty good. . .still gotta work on standing it up though. . . Edited to add: Now if someone would have explained to me what it meant to fly the canopy till it stops, my first few AFF levels would have resulted in MUCH better landings. I get it now. . .________________________________________ Take risks not to escape life… but to prevent life from escaping. ~ A bumper sticker at the DZ FGF #6 Darcy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bsoder 0 #30 February 3, 2004 Quotei think there's enough to rememeber doing AFF (or any other first time jumps) as it is. I certainly would have like to be introduced to these sort of things between, say, 50 and 100 jumps. Might be just my perspective then, since I have if I remember right 47 jumps now. I just think it would have not been a big deal to add a bit more on canopy flight - perhaps not during the acutal AFF jumps, but mabye through the 10-20 jumps. I'm certainly not the most qualified person to say exactly when this stuff should be taught, I just think that your list is short enough and clear enough that it could be covered before 25 jumps - not to master everything obviously but to be taught it in a class format. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydivingNurse 0 #31 February 4, 2004 QuoteWhether we are willing to admit it, most of us could use some refresher training every time we down size and every time we come back from a lay-off, even if the lay-off was just for one winter. That's one thing that has worried me more than I'd like to admit, I started AFF late in the year (I did my first jump on August 13) and was only able to do six jumps, the last one was on Oct 19, so I wonder how much I've lost on the winter break. I've been reading the SIM and watching my fly like a pro video, but until I get back in the air, yikes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #32 February 4, 2004 Oh shit I get squirrelly when I miss a week. And now I'm looking at, at least a two week layoff as I didn't jump last weekend (poor WX) and won't be jumping this weekend (going skiing with this whuffo girl). Refresher training is a good idea for anyone who's taken any considerable amount of time off (more than one month in my books). But each one of us is different and what works for one person likely won't work for the next. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydivingNurse 0 #33 February 4, 2004 I'm not sure what the rules are, but with all this time off d/t the weather, I wonder if instead of "doing stuff" (for lack of a better idea of what to call it) like turns and whatnot, if I could just go up with my JM and just jump and see how stable I am. My last level was doing the 180 and 360 degree turns, right now, I'd just like to see if I can stay stable and maintain my alti awareness. I don't want to say that I'm afraid, but I do have a healthy respect for what I probably lost over the course of this winter. I really need to get my butt to Florida or Arizona or somewhere warm (I should probably take the rest of me as well ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Designer 0 #34 February 4, 2004 Thanks for the input everyone.Some more thoughts,As usual I expect USPA to do it's best to research the subject.You can also bet that some of brians writing,jim slaton and Mr. miller(course study outlines)will construct the bulk of this class.Some simple weather and wind conditions will cover the rest.If enough skydivers think this Idea is long over do(most Do)the program will develop faster.I've already made my suggestions to Jim Couch(Director of Safety and Training)and he seems to think it's an overall good idea.Oh,you can expect "Not" to get reamed cost wise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
