WrongWay 0 #1 June 29, 2004 Just out of curiosity, has anyone here ever given this talk or been present as it was given? I've only known one person who was probably going to get it, but quit the sport on their own before we got to them. Anyone have any interesting stories? Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #2 June 29, 2004 QuoteJust out of curiosity, has anyone here ever given this talk or been present as it was given? A man whom had never flown with me told me that I should take up bowling. I didn't of course...guess he was wrong, but he was entitled to his opinion. I have heard the talk given to one other...he should have listened...now he'll never hear anything again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #3 June 29, 2004 Yes, i was given the talk when i was a student. So i went to a different DZ, explained the situation and they worked with me to turn me into a kickass skydiver. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #4 June 29, 2004 QuoteYes, i was given the talk when i was a student. So i went to a different DZ, explained the situation and they worked with me to turn me into a kickass skydiver. Wow sunny, I had no idea. "That's right, IceMan.....I AM DANGEROUS." Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #5 June 29, 2004 Really? Wow, that kinda shocks me, what was it for? (if you don't mind my asking....) Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,583 #6 June 29, 2004 I've given it twice to first jump students who talked about coming back. Once to someone it didn't really matter for (a really stupid guy who was easy to convince), and the other time to the younger brother of a regular. He was just too immature, and it really helped that the DZ manager, and she, and her instructor boyfriend all backed me up. He was a little upset and self-justifying, but he left. Never to someone with more than one jump, though. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #7 June 29, 2004 Yes I have and so have others here at work given this talk to our friend who also happens to be the owner of the company we work for. I think he has finally understood that jumping out of a plane is not a rollercoaster ride. He had done 4 tandems 2 level 3's and failed level 4 and was about to go up and try it again when it finally hit him that it wasn't a joke and climbed back out of the plane. No one ridiculed him for his decision we actually supported his choice and appluaded him for realizing he was the only one responsible for his life. Of course each week he doesn't talk about going back and trying again is another week we don't have to worry about the buisness falling apart cuz he drilled himself into the ground. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #8 June 29, 2004 QuoteJust out of curiosity, has anyone here ever given this talk or been present as it was given? I've given a couple of times, but usually asking them why they jump and shuting up was enough. In the process of answering my question they realized they didn't want to jump and were only doing it becuase they didn't want to quit. Another I suggested some wind tunnel time before their next jump and he never came back. As a side note, the only people that should be present for such a conversation is the Instructor and student. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #9 June 29, 2004 >has anyone here ever given this talk or been present as it was given? I gave the wind tunnel talk a few times. One such guy actually went to the wind tunnel in Vegas, came back, and then passed AFF (barely, but he passed.) He's not the world's safest skydiver, but he's competent and he understands the risks. It's just something he really wanted to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eurisko 0 #10 June 29, 2004 Just been reading this thread and it's got my worried now. I'm saving up for my AFF at the moment. I hope to f*** that I don't get this talk For what reason do you guys usually give the talk for. It can't be just that someone new sucks because I've seen loads of threads about that and it's all just "relax" or "jump, jump, jump" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #11 June 29, 2004 >So i went to a different DZ, explained the situation and they worked with me to turn me into a kickass skydiver. Who still can't land a canopy I thought that a few people I took on tandems would be better off not to return, but I never said anything to them about it since they never returned. I do know of one person that I basically said I was going to talk to the other instructors about them. They quit before that conversation ever happened.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sunshine 2 #12 June 29, 2004 QuoteWho still can't land a canopy I don't land on my feet, but that doesn't mean i'm a bad canopy pilot. I just need to take a canopy course to help get me over my fear of landing on my feet. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #13 June 29, 2004 QuoteFor what reason do you guys usually give the talk for. If someone lacks the ability to skydive without being a serious danger to themselves and others around them. Obviously some fall through the cracks. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #14 June 29, 2004 QuoteI don't land on my feet, but that doesn't mean i'm a bad canopy pilot. I agree with this. . QuoteI just need to take a canopy course to help get me over my fear of landing on my feet. This worries me Sunny! 800 + jumps and still fear over standing up? A course will help you to understand how to stand up onyour feet, but the word FEAR makes me think that you may make a mistkae because your afraid. Be careful Sunny. Take the course as soon as you can (LIKE NOW!). I don't want to read that you broke something on landing because you didn't want to try and stand it up. What canopy are you on and at what wingloading?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Eurisko 0 #15 June 29, 2004 So is that usually idiots with no common sense or people who despite there best efforts have an inability to fly their body/canopy well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sunshine 2 #16 June 29, 2004 QuoteI don't land on my feet, but that doesn't mean i'm a bad canopy pilot. ------------------------------------------------------- I agree with this. QuoteThis worries me Sunny! 800 + jumps and still fear over standing up? A course will help you to understand how to stand up onyour feet, but the word FEAR makes me think that you may make a mistkae because your afraid. Be careful Sunny. Take the course as soon as you can (LIKE NOW!). I don't want to read that you broke something on landing because you didn't want to try and stand it up. I broke my ankle in march because i tried to stand up on unfamiliar ground while landing off. Had i done a PLF, i honestly beleive i would've walked away. Ever since then i'm just too scared to even try to land on my feet. It's all a mental game now. Betzilla had the same issues and she took the canopy course last weekend. She said it really gave her confidence and i know she stood up her landings on saturday. I'll take the course as soon as i can. QuoteWhat canopy are you on and at what wingloading? Sabre2 loaded at 1:1 ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bbarnhouse 0 #17 June 29, 2004 QuoteReally? Wow, that kinda shocks me, what was it for? (if you don't mind my asking....) Sure...I had my first cut away at jump 23. This person thought I shouldnt have cut the mal away. My coach in my defense said that it was the approrpriate action...it was after all a slider up spinner...and it was/is MY life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #18 June 29, 2004 PM'dDom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tfelber 0 #19 June 30, 2004 I wouldn't get all worked up over it. Go out, pay attention, have fun, and don't get frustrated. You will know if skydiving works for you. If it doesn't you probably won't enjoy it anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #20 June 30, 2004 QuoteSo is that usually idiots with no common sense or people who despite there best efforts have an inability to fly their body/canopy well. More the former than the latter. You don't have to be good, just safe. Or at least not un-safe. Don't worry. Pay attention and try to relax. Remember it is normal to be afraid/anxious/nervious/scared at very high levels, all at once. Be prepared for that and deal with it. Focus on the training and what you have to do. That will get you through. Relaxation is the key, once you relax, you will see how easy it really is. You don't like someone that would get the rare bowling ball speech, so don't worry. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Eurisko 0 #21 June 30, 2004 QuoteYou will know if skydiving works for you. If it doesn't you probably won't enjoy it anyway. Good point cheers guys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mixoligist 0 #22 June 30, 2004 Edited....I was going to comment on the stand up (lack there of) landings. blue skies and soft butt landings.................................. Better you than me .................................. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #23 June 30, 2004 At a DZ long, long ago and far, far away, a pair of fat-bottomed, thirty-something women showed up for the static-line course. They had no muscle tone and you could see the fat sagging on their thighs. The thought of that picture still gives me shivers! They did not have enough muscle to lift their left feet off the step - of a Cessna 182 - for proper hanging exits. When they let go of the strut, they rotated to the right - belly into the wind - and deployed in stable, heads down positions facing the rear of the plane. The DZO was in the pilot's seat and got really angry at me for not short-lining their "unstable" exits. I told him what I saw and that since they were stilll belly-into-the-wind, I could not see the point to short-lining. After the debrief, they asked me about making a second jump. The DZO got even more angry when I gave them the "take up bowling" speech. When I refused to take them up again, he suspended me. I refused to back down and left a few weeks later. I never understand short-lining until Jamie Woodward explained it to me many years later in Snohomish. Jamie believes that short-lining was only effective on military surplus containers closed with 40 pound break cord, gear that was fell out of fashion decades ago. The 40 pound break cord allowed a JM to stop back loops off the step. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #24 June 30, 2004 Quote>has anyone here ever given this talk or been present as it was given? I gave the wind tunnel talk a few times. One such guy actually went to the wind tunnel in Vegas, came back, and then passed AFF (barely, but he passed.) He's not the world's safest skydiver, but he's competent and he understands the risks. It's just something he really wanted to do. How does one barely pass, I would think that this is a sort where competance is the key element in progressionYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #25 June 30, 2004 QuoteThe DZO was in the pilot's seat and got really angry at me for not short-lining their "unstable" exits. Just a thought. It takes about .75 sec. for a student to reach the end of a static line. In order to short line the student the JM would have to see and identify an exit problem, make the decision to short line and then physically to the act. I do not think it can be done in the time frame available. If the JM short lines the student he had to have unconsciously made the decision before the student leaves the strut/door. I am not a JM but have put out hundreds of test dummies and live test subjects and have never been able to short line after saying go. jmo SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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PhreeZone 20 #11 June 29, 2004 >So i went to a different DZ, explained the situation and they worked with me to turn me into a kickass skydiver. Who still can't land a canopy I thought that a few people I took on tandems would be better off not to return, but I never said anything to them about it since they never returned. I do know of one person that I basically said I was going to talk to the other instructors about them. They quit before that conversation ever happened.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #12 June 29, 2004 QuoteWho still can't land a canopy I don't land on my feet, but that doesn't mean i'm a bad canopy pilot. I just need to take a canopy course to help get me over my fear of landing on my feet. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #13 June 29, 2004 QuoteFor what reason do you guys usually give the talk for. If someone lacks the ability to skydive without being a serious danger to themselves and others around them. Obviously some fall through the cracks. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #14 June 29, 2004 QuoteI don't land on my feet, but that doesn't mean i'm a bad canopy pilot. I agree with this. . QuoteI just need to take a canopy course to help get me over my fear of landing on my feet. This worries me Sunny! 800 + jumps and still fear over standing up? A course will help you to understand how to stand up onyour feet, but the word FEAR makes me think that you may make a mistkae because your afraid. Be careful Sunny. Take the course as soon as you can (LIKE NOW!). I don't want to read that you broke something on landing because you didn't want to try and stand it up. What canopy are you on and at what wingloading?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eurisko 0 #15 June 29, 2004 So is that usually idiots with no common sense or people who despite there best efforts have an inability to fly their body/canopy well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #16 June 29, 2004 QuoteI don't land on my feet, but that doesn't mean i'm a bad canopy pilot. ------------------------------------------------------- I agree with this. QuoteThis worries me Sunny! 800 + jumps and still fear over standing up? A course will help you to understand how to stand up onyour feet, but the word FEAR makes me think that you may make a mistkae because your afraid. Be careful Sunny. Take the course as soon as you can (LIKE NOW!). I don't want to read that you broke something on landing because you didn't want to try and stand it up. I broke my ankle in march because i tried to stand up on unfamiliar ground while landing off. Had i done a PLF, i honestly beleive i would've walked away. Ever since then i'm just too scared to even try to land on my feet. It's all a mental game now. Betzilla had the same issues and she took the canopy course last weekend. She said it really gave her confidence and i know she stood up her landings on saturday. I'll take the course as soon as i can. QuoteWhat canopy are you on and at what wingloading? Sabre2 loaded at 1:1 ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #17 June 29, 2004 QuoteReally? Wow, that kinda shocks me, what was it for? (if you don't mind my asking....) Sure...I had my first cut away at jump 23. This person thought I shouldnt have cut the mal away. My coach in my defense said that it was the approrpriate action...it was after all a slider up spinner...and it was/is MY life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tfelber 0 #19 June 30, 2004 I wouldn't get all worked up over it. Go out, pay attention, have fun, and don't get frustrated. You will know if skydiving works for you. If it doesn't you probably won't enjoy it anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #20 June 30, 2004 QuoteSo is that usually idiots with no common sense or people who despite there best efforts have an inability to fly their body/canopy well. More the former than the latter. You don't have to be good, just safe. Or at least not un-safe. Don't worry. Pay attention and try to relax. Remember it is normal to be afraid/anxious/nervious/scared at very high levels, all at once. Be prepared for that and deal with it. Focus on the training and what you have to do. That will get you through. Relaxation is the key, once you relax, you will see how easy it really is. You don't like someone that would get the rare bowling ball speech, so don't worry. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eurisko 0 #21 June 30, 2004 QuoteYou will know if skydiving works for you. If it doesn't you probably won't enjoy it anyway. Good point cheers guys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mixoligist 0 #22 June 30, 2004 Edited....I was going to comment on the stand up (lack there of) landings. blue skies and soft butt landings.................................. Better you than me .................................. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #23 June 30, 2004 At a DZ long, long ago and far, far away, a pair of fat-bottomed, thirty-something women showed up for the static-line course. They had no muscle tone and you could see the fat sagging on their thighs. The thought of that picture still gives me shivers! They did not have enough muscle to lift their left feet off the step - of a Cessna 182 - for proper hanging exits. When they let go of the strut, they rotated to the right - belly into the wind - and deployed in stable, heads down positions facing the rear of the plane. The DZO was in the pilot's seat and got really angry at me for not short-lining their "unstable" exits. I told him what I saw and that since they were stilll belly-into-the-wind, I could not see the point to short-lining. After the debrief, they asked me about making a second jump. The DZO got even more angry when I gave them the "take up bowling" speech. When I refused to take them up again, he suspended me. I refused to back down and left a few weeks later. I never understand short-lining until Jamie Woodward explained it to me many years later in Snohomish. Jamie believes that short-lining was only effective on military surplus containers closed with 40 pound break cord, gear that was fell out of fashion decades ago. The 40 pound break cord allowed a JM to stop back loops off the step. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #24 June 30, 2004 Quote>has anyone here ever given this talk or been present as it was given? I gave the wind tunnel talk a few times. One such guy actually went to the wind tunnel in Vegas, came back, and then passed AFF (barely, but he passed.) He's not the world's safest skydiver, but he's competent and he understands the risks. It's just something he really wanted to do. How does one barely pass, I would think that this is a sort where competance is the key element in progressionYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #25 June 30, 2004 QuoteThe DZO was in the pilot's seat and got really angry at me for not short-lining their "unstable" exits. Just a thought. It takes about .75 sec. for a student to reach the end of a static line. In order to short line the student the JM would have to see and identify an exit problem, make the decision to short line and then physically to the act. I do not think it can be done in the time frame available. If the JM short lines the student he had to have unconsciously made the decision before the student leaves the strut/door. I am not a JM but have put out hundreds of test dummies and live test subjects and have never been able to short line after saying go. jmo SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
