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I went in front of the student run organization that allocates funds for organizations here and I asked for money to go to collegiate and I was denied any funds. Anyone have any suggestions? I tried to present collegiates to them as a way to promote our school. The problem is these guys dont understand skydiving and don't really think that it's a sport. The other problem was that it's just me going on behalf of the school so it probably looks like I just want money for a vacation. Unfortunately I'm the only one who jumps at my school. Any ideas? Thanks.

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TAMU usually doesn't give us money or barely gives us any, so we try to fund raise. You can do stuff outsdie fo the "normal" carwash bullshit. Don't be afraid to ask for donations from businesses and such either.
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I hate to inform you, but that is a roadblock you are going to see every way you turn to raise money through the school for any kind of high risk activity like skydiving...and yes, I have experience with this...

You might want to look for fundraising that is "approved" by the school, but doesn't go directly through the school...look for local businesses who are willing to donate (very few will donate or even think about donating, so don't be surprised)...Larger corporations have more funds to spread around, but good luck finding a way to sell skydiving and ways to advertise their product/products...because that is what they expect...and you are college students...B|...

If there are any local activities...set up a booth and sell something...like baked goods, etc.

Keep pushing it, but don't be surprised when a lot of people look the other way...[:/]...


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I tried to present collegiates to them as a way to promote our school. ...don't really think that it's a sport. I'm the only one who jumps at my school.



Sorry, but I have to agree with them.
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I went in front of the student run organization that allocates funds for organizations here and I asked for money to go to collegiate...



Why should the tax payers fund your jumps?

I think education tax money should go for education. Silly me.

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Tranfer to the university of maryland, college park. The club there has never sent anyone to nationals, but they do get plenty of university funding (though no funding for jumping specifically). Gotta be creative sometimes... wind tunnel time=ground based safety training.

And to those that think there are better uses for the money... at least at Maryland, the money is NOT tax money. It comes from the student activities fee that every student has to pay. It's either gonna go toward skydiving or the Magic the Gathering club. Actually most goes to the Black Student Union and stuff like that. Where do you wanna see it go?

Dave

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I went in front of the student run organization that allocates funds for organizations here and I asked for money to go to collegiate...



Why should the tax payers fund your jumps?

I think education tax money should go for education. Silly me.



Do you know of a college that doesn't support a collegiate sports event? They spend tens of thousands on other sports with stadiums, scholarships, trainers, and coaches.

This is a skydiving club. I was in the student senate in college. Student govt regularly funded travel money for clubs. Why not some money to cover travel to an event for this club? Entry fees, etc were paid for by the club. Many clubs, even the chess club, has featured speakers/coaches that were paid for by the college.

Any support that student govt provides for another club should be provided for a skydiving club. They are not allowed to judge the value of your club based on content or function.

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Right - so don't fund any club. Let the participants fund their own hobbies and vacations. That way their 'student activity fees' can be focused directly into what they want instead of diverted to other things they don't play in.

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If you could find more jumpers, you might get recognition as a intermural sport. At my school if you get three or more people involved, you can apply for intermural status and get funding under that program.

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Yeah, those schools with no extracurricular activities are oh so popular. My school had 300+ university funded clubs. That attracts students, which bring in tuitions, which support academics.

Yes, I always hated the fact that I was helping to support some really dumbass clubs (they though we were the dumbass club of course), but it's a really great thing for the school.

Dave

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Right - so don't fund any club. Let the participants fund their own hobbies and vacations. That way their 'student activity fees' can be focused directly into what they want instead of diverted to other things they don't play in.



That is essentially the problem with "student activity" fees. Not everyone wants to do the exact same thing. I never had an activity that "everyone" liked.

We sponsored "free food, beach outings with games". Some people thought it would be too hot.
"Outdoor concert on the lawn with bbq". Some people didn't like the band or food. Even dances. Not everyone likes to dance.

Student activity fees were given to clubs to help them pursue their group interests, regardless of whether everyone thinks it has value. Clubs are supposed to help individuals grow by associating with people of common interest.

When clubs achieved something, it reflected well on the public image of the school. Chess clubs, martial arts teams, music, computers, art.

Clubs provided support of students by other students. Study/learning groups, women, minorities. How to deal with their special issues.

Gas money for trips helped because the school didn't have to provide transportation. Paying for featured experts was well worth it also.

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Student activity fees were given to clubs to help them pursue their group interests, regardless of whether everyone thinks it has value.



This is one of the reasons education has become so expensive. Each club should fund their own events. They should not take money from everyone against their will, and use it to benefit a few, for events in which the payees are not interested. No one should have the right to have their fun paid for by others. If a club can't fund their events on their own, tough. They can wash cars, sell T-shirts, mow lawns, or whatever to raise funds - it would teach good ole American capitalism, instead of socialism. We shouldn't be teaching young people that they have the right to something at the expense of others. We should instead, be teaching them that if they want something, they have to work for it and earn it.

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They should not take money from everyone against their will, and use it to benefit a few, for events in which the payees are not interested. No one should have the right to have their fun paid for by others.



It goes back to the definition of "benefit".

Personally, I don't pursue art as an interest. However, after an excellent lecturer spoke at our art club, we all saw an exhibition in the Student Union building. Also, one of our political clubs got mileage to go hear a speaker at a nearby university. Perhaps, that speaker provided new enlightment to the listeners (possibly our future leaders).

At a university level, there are clubs for women and minorities that specifically target their needs. Sometimes, it is as simple as fellowship.

Colleges/universities have seen that clubs enhance the college and community for non-members. They support personal growth and volunteerism.

The benefit does not have to be immediate or obvious. That is why it is supported.

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there are clubs for women and minorities that specifically target their needs. Sometimes, it is as simple as fellowship.



Fellowship is fine. But why can't they pay their own way? Why do they have to take money from others who aren't women and aren't minorities and don't participate in those fellowships?

And since these fees are mandatory, not optional, even if you disagree with them, you still have to pay them, or you aren't allowed to pursue your education there.

This is similar to the situation with union dues, being used for political purposes. The law was changed to allow union members to opt out if they wish, from having their union dues used for political purposes with which they disagree. College students should have the same choice.

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Why do they have to take money from others who aren't women and aren't minorities and don't participate in those fellowships?



The theory is that a college is supposed to help individuals grow and become better people. When they improve, society reaps the benefits. These are the indirect benefits.

It is the difference between taking computer courses at a technical school and a 4-year university. A university education is supposed to make you a more well-rounded individual and a better contributor to society.

That is why people take philosophy, study other civilizations, or any of a myriad of college courses designed to expand your perspective.

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While I was president of a collegiate skydiving club, the university decided to start charging for the use of "tech equipment" at club meetings. We could rent the rooms for free, but we were charged $50 per meeting to use the built-in VCR or computer for a presentation. I always planned for 4 "information sessions" per semester where I'd give a powerpoint presentation and show some videos. That's $400 per year. Now, that was pure profit to the university since the equipment was built into the rooms... a total scam by the university. But my point is, the prices for even the simplest things quickly go out of control and are not affordable to the average college student. I wasn't making a profit by running the skydiving club. Why should I pay $400 a year out of my pocket to do the university a favor and run a club? And don't think the university doesn't use clubs (specifically the skydiving club) to attract prospective students... check THIS out.

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Now, that was pure profit to the university since the equipment was built into the rooms... a total scam by the university.



The equipment must be maintained and replaced, why not by the users instead of the non-users?

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But my point is, the prices for even the simplest things quickly go out of control and are not affordable to the average college student.



So then your position is to force those students who choose not to join the clubs to pay for part of everyone else's hobbies.... Of course those other students have more money and can afford it better? really now, where do you think the money comes from - Atlantis? Some magical tree which provides cash and bacon for anyone who wants it? Mmmm, bacon.

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I wasn't making a profit by running the skydiving club. Why should I pay $400 a year out of my pocket to do the university a favor and run a club?



Ahh, you were doing them a favor, not the other way around.:S So those kids that didn't skydive were being helped by contributing to your club. Lucky them.

All these intangible benefits, it's like pretending to eat - less effort, but much easier than the real thing

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