dubbayab 0 #1 October 5, 2004 Cypress2, or Vigil? and where to buy? Thanks for the help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyinghonu 0 #2 October 5, 2004 I was recently looking for a Cypres and discovered that just about every place I looked (and I covered my bases) was pretty much asking for the same. However, I did see a site wherein when you bought an entire system, the Cypres was discounted a couple hundred dollars. I just ended going with an older used one...a new one was too rich for my blood "Excuse me while I kiss the sky..." - Jimi Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voodew1 0 #3 October 5, 2004 Where to buy---most places will be real close to one another. which one?---the vigil is the better buy-less up front and less to maintain but the cypres has been in service longer and the bugs are worked out. The vigil will be better on resale as it can be configured for tandem - expert- or student - plus it has no service life span "yet" The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YahooLV 0 #4 October 5, 2004 Personally, I'll stay with something that hs been proven over and over again! If it aint broke....don't buy something else~!http://www.curtisglennphotography.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #5 October 6, 2004 To save money, you might consider one that needs the service to be done (at appropriate cost, of course). You pay SSK directly for the service, seller ships it to Ohio. SSK should owe you the report of the unit's health. Anyway, it will leave in good condition - repair/replace/adjust whatever is needed. You then get a unit with no doubts. Don't buy it until you get the OK from SSK, so that if it got wet you wouldn't have a worthless unit, they won't fix that sort of stuff within the cost of the 4/8 year service. Your risk is only that service cost.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #6 October 6, 2004 I found AeroStore to be most competitive when I got mine a couple years ago, and they were fresh off the boat - one month old.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubbayab 0 #7 October 6, 2004 OK thanks, Now, I have one more question, seems trivial, but I have never owned/jumped an AAD. Do you need to turn a Cyrpes off on a decent due to weather or traffic...etc? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #8 October 6, 2004 Depends on how fast you go down of course. Pilots may not be able to avoid it unfortunately. Have to go to 1400 or so at least to allow it to 'arm'.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubbayab 0 #9 October 6, 2004 About 3 weeks ago we were at 7.5K when the pilot of the 182 annocenced to me there was rain over the airport, and we may have to make a low pass, I was in student position seat of a load of upjumpers. When we rapidly decended to 3k the pilot stated he saw lightning over the airport an we were landing. We pulled up into the hainger and I step off and my reserve springloaded PC hit the tarmack, The first reply from a jumper was "Did your Cypres fire" I replied NO I don't have one. The pilot grabed behind me for flaps and opened my reserve contianer. Could a rapid decent from a 182 fool the Cypres in to thinking it was more than 76 Miles per hour? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ncrowe 0 #10 October 6, 2004 I'm lost how could you ask the question if you told the pilot you dont have a cypres?? "Don't Mess Around With the Guy in Shades- Oh No!!! " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubbayab 0 #11 October 6, 2004 When the other jumper asked if I had a Cypres It starting my thinking and wondering if this sort of thing has happened before, An AAD misfiring on a decent. As an Instructor we have been trainded to turn off Student AAD's I have never owned one, and would like to purchase a Cypress. I was asking If the Cypress brand had ever had a misfire during a decent. This is something real that happened to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #12 October 6, 2004 Student Cypres' can fire on descent in an aircraft (it happened at my DZ not so long ago). I wouldn't call it a misfire - the unit is operating exactly as designed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubbayab 0 #13 October 6, 2004 Does anyone who owns a Cypres expert one pin, feel the need to undue a cheststrap and slip off a rig to access a unit before landing in a jump plane? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlindBrick 0 #14 October 6, 2004 Rigs and Thing shas the best pric eon a Vigil that I've seen. Service was great and I got mine in a very short time. http://marketplace.amazia.com/para-service/prodinfo.asp?cn=266030&affid=&sku=AD1022&page=30&pagenumber=&inverrmsg= I went with the Vigil because it's tremendously more user freindly, records jump inof like a Pro-Track, and seems a lot more durable than a regular Cypres (which plainly states in its manual, sacrifices durability for compactness). True there's been some problems wiht the Vigil, but those seem to have been solved as its been months since a complaint and we are now beginning to get reports back of Vigil saves. That was good enough for me, but YMMV. -Blind"If you end up in an alligator's jaws, naked, you probably did something to deserve it." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lozza 0 #15 October 6, 2004 QuoteDoes anyone who owns a Cypres expert one pin, feel the need to undue a cheststrap and slip off a rig to access a unit before landing in a jump plane First of all I have a Cypress 2 and not at all. As long as from around, to be safe 1000' the pilot slows his/her decent rate up they won't fire. Most piston engine aircraft won't decent fast enough to make one fire, but the turbines will. So if in a turbine make sure the pilot is aware of this. Lozza. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites voodew1 0 #16 October 6, 2004 If your at 750 ft and the plane is going faster than 78ft a second toward the ground the cypres is the last thing I am worried about. You gonna crash!! FXC's and student AADs can under the extreme final approach of an aircraft fire off the reserve - a pilot should not be set up for landing with this steep of approach. What happens above 1000' doesn't matter it only counts after 1000' agl QuoteAs an Instructor we have been trainded to turn off Student AAD's I have never owned one, AS AN INSTRUCTOR you should already know this info so you can train your students The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymedic 0 #17 October 6, 2004 I've seen it and they didn't crash...but it was funny seeing the reserve pilot chute pop on the one guy that rode it down.....scary to see...but I bet it was a fun ride. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #18 October 6, 2004 QuoteCould a rapid decent from a 182 fool the Cypres in to thinking it was more than 76 Miles per hour? That would be a descent rate of over 6600 feet per minute below 750' AGL. The pilot could do it, but I don't he, you, or the airplane would survive the landing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dubbayab 0 #19 October 7, 2004 I am an Instructor, and have numerous times had to turn off a students AAD, for what ever reasons, The "I" has to ride down with the student. I do not own student gear, or rigger cirt. SO Your question was I should already know this, I have never owned a Cypres. The student AAD I have turned off and on were FXC 1200. I always make sure a student has been ( in my FJC) breifed on the use of THE FXC 1200 on/off switch, and they should not break there hard deck cause they may wind up with a two out situation. They are different, and I fell the question was viable to someone like me with no experience with Cypres.It must have sounded stupid, when I asked, I wasen't thinking, yeah if your going that fast you are going to crash. I'm not worried anymore about Cypres firing during decent, Thanks guys for the replys! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dubbayab 0 #20 October 7, 2004 Thanks for that link! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #21 October 7, 2004 QuoteWhen the other jumper asked if I had a Cypres It starting my thinking and wondering if this sort of thing has happened before, An AAD misfiring on a decent. Yes. The unit doesn't care if it's in free fall, in an aircraft or in a box. If you induce the conditions needed to make it fire (a presure drop equivlent to 78mph at 750ft agl +/-300) it will. I've seen it in a 182, and a twin otter. It took out a porter in Europe a couple of years ago. Two pilots dead and a wrecked airplane because of it. Know your equipment.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Icon134 0 #22 October 8, 2004 I was reading through the Cypres manual the other day... it suggests turning off the student version of the cypres 2 because it activates if the decent exceeds 29 mph. Scott Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiverton 0 #23 October 8, 2004 A student cypres YES (or a VIGIL in student mode in case you want to use tyhis shit) An expert cypres NO, not even in a pilatus porter ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Using your droque to gain stability is a bad habit, Especially when you are jumping a sport rig Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
voodew1 0 #16 October 6, 2004 If your at 750 ft and the plane is going faster than 78ft a second toward the ground the cypres is the last thing I am worried about. You gonna crash!! FXC's and student AADs can under the extreme final approach of an aircraft fire off the reserve - a pilot should not be set up for landing with this steep of approach. What happens above 1000' doesn't matter it only counts after 1000' agl QuoteAs an Instructor we have been trainded to turn off Student AAD's I have never owned one, AS AN INSTRUCTOR you should already know this info so you can train your students The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #17 October 6, 2004 I've seen it and they didn't crash...but it was funny seeing the reserve pilot chute pop on the one guy that rode it down.....scary to see...but I bet it was a fun ride. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #18 October 6, 2004 QuoteCould a rapid decent from a 182 fool the Cypres in to thinking it was more than 76 Miles per hour? That would be a descent rate of over 6600 feet per minute below 750' AGL. The pilot could do it, but I don't he, you, or the airplane would survive the landing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubbayab 0 #19 October 7, 2004 I am an Instructor, and have numerous times had to turn off a students AAD, for what ever reasons, The "I" has to ride down with the student. I do not own student gear, or rigger cirt. SO Your question was I should already know this, I have never owned a Cypres. The student AAD I have turned off and on were FXC 1200. I always make sure a student has been ( in my FJC) breifed on the use of THE FXC 1200 on/off switch, and they should not break there hard deck cause they may wind up with a two out situation. They are different, and I fell the question was viable to someone like me with no experience with Cypres.It must have sounded stupid, when I asked, I wasen't thinking, yeah if your going that fast you are going to crash. I'm not worried anymore about Cypres firing during decent, Thanks guys for the replys! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubbayab 0 #20 October 7, 2004 Thanks for that link! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #21 October 7, 2004 QuoteWhen the other jumper asked if I had a Cypres It starting my thinking and wondering if this sort of thing has happened before, An AAD misfiring on a decent. Yes. The unit doesn't care if it's in free fall, in an aircraft or in a box. If you induce the conditions needed to make it fire (a presure drop equivlent to 78mph at 750ft agl +/-300) it will. I've seen it in a 182, and a twin otter. It took out a porter in Europe a couple of years ago. Two pilots dead and a wrecked airplane because of it. Know your equipment.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #22 October 8, 2004 I was reading through the Cypres manual the other day... it suggests turning off the student version of the cypres 2 because it activates if the decent exceeds 29 mph. Scott Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverton 0 #23 October 8, 2004 A student cypres YES (or a VIGIL in student mode in case you want to use tyhis shit) An expert cypres NO, not even in a pilatus porter ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Using your droque to gain stability is a bad habit, Especially when you are jumping a sport rig Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
