Darius11 12 #26 October 1, 2004 Thank you for your post. No I am not getting a VX tomorrow. I just feel the reason people are in a rush to downsize is because of boredom. And yes every canopy has a range but there is only so much you can do. Again I am not down sizing. I always ask questions from my AFF instructors and listen to what they have to say. So unless they tell me it's ok I don't do it. All I was saying in my post was I can understand why people are in a rush. Thank you for taking the time to write that post I do appreciated it and don't care how many jumps someone has there is no harm in hearing what people have to say.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #27 October 1, 2004 Looking at your profile, you're about my weight, maybe a few pounds higher. At our weight range, many DZs offer a choice of student rigs with F111s only, or gear shop rentals with nice containers and ZP canopies, but only up to 210, 220, only sometimes a 230. So then you get to make an unideal choice, and certainly there is pressure to downsize to the more comfortable harnesses. I'm trying to run my way down to more options, but that takes time! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #28 October 1, 2004 QuoteWanting to go faster can have lots of reasons though. My personal choice has been to learn how to make the canopy that I have go faster rather than learn how to fly a faster canopy. It was a long post but that one thought made the read worth while. If more people took the time to understand just what it is you are saying with this statement, I feel there would be fewer open canopy incidents. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
algboy 0 #29 October 1, 2004 QuoteLooking at your profile, you're about my weight, maybe a few pounds higher. At our weight range, many DZs offer a choice of student rigs with F111s only, or gear shop rentals with nice containers and ZP canopies, but only up to 210, 220, only sometimes a 230. So then you get to make an unideal choice, and certainly there is pressure to downsize to the more comfortable harnesses. I'm trying to run my way down to more options, but that takes time! I'm fortunate in that Square 2 at Eloy has a Nav260 rental that loads me at about .86. My landings are all easy standups even during a couple of mild crosswind landings. One subject that hasn't been touched upon--maybe a bit off topic?--is that since I use packers while I continue to rent, I feel like I have leprosy when walking into the hangar with my "circus tent". Thank God there a couple of packers at Eloy who just shrug and charge me the extra $$. It's kinda embarassing when you get treated that way. Am I in a hurry to downsize? NO. I feel that I would be safe under a 230, but that still puts me into the "circus tent" category. Anyone else have this dilemma?“Keep your elbow up!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #30 October 2, 2004 Charge more for a tandem canopy??.....sure I can understand that. Charge more for a 'bigger' solo canopy.... Thats not right......a pack jobs a pack job . Following that rule they should also charge sub 100sq ft packjobs more because they have to take the time to be really really careful with it. Choose another packer.....or learn to pack yourself !! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #31 October 2, 2004 I have had pretty much the same experience as you... except I started out on a bit smaller canopies at Eloy. Almost all the packers there will be really helpful once they get to know you better. A couple still charge me an extra buck since I fly a 190 but its not really a big deal. If you want to get off of a student canopy go talk to the various instructors, it is likely that they will be able to give you some guidance. I have always found them to be very helpful and knowledgeable. Just don't be surprised if they keep running off during the days when there are a lot of tandems. NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #32 October 2, 2004 QuoteCharge more for a tandem canopy??.....sure I can understand that. Charge more for a 'bigger' solo canopy.... Thats not right......a pack jobs a pack job . It's a free market and the packers will charge what you're willing to pay. There's nothing right or wrong about that. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #33 October 2, 2004 And I am only willing to pay the same as the next guy, despite having a bigger canopy......If they dont like that, I would just move on to someone who does.... Whats next.....extra couple of $ for a pack job on a brightly coloured canopy....because its a 'strain on the eyes'..?? A pack jobs a pack job...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,106 #34 October 2, 2004 >And I am only willing to pay the same as the next guy, despite > having a bigger canopy......If they dont like that, I would just move > on to someone who does.... Exactly! That's capitalism in action. >Whats next.....extra couple of $ for a pack job on a brightly coloured > canopy....because its a 'strain on the eyes'..?? Or more likely more $$ for a brand new ZP canopy. >A pack jobs a pack job...... Something tells me you're not a rigger or a BASE jumper! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #35 October 4, 2004 QuoteA pack jobs a pack job...... Something tells me you're not a rigger or a BASE jumper! You mean BASE jumpers pay staff packers for a pack job...??? Now thats a whole different ball game of paying for a pack job Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #36 October 4, 2004 QuoteA pack jobs a pack job...... Something tells me you're not a rigger or a BASE jumper! You mean BASE jumpers pay staff packers for a pack job...??? Now thats a whole different ball game of paying for a pack job Perhaps you are the kind of jumper who always should pack by himself? Even your BASE rig. Always! ROFLMAO dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #37 October 6, 2004 riiiiiiiight... Care to put an explanation on that one....cause I didnt understand it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #38 October 6, 2004 Quote riiiiiiiight... Care to put an explanation on that one....cause I didnt understand it Why do you say right, if you don't understand? Yes I care, and no: I do not give further explanation, Christel dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #39 October 8, 2004 Quote QuoteCharge more for a tandem canopy??.....sure I can understand that. Charge more for a 'bigger' solo canopy.... Thats not right......a pack jobs a pack job . It's a free market and the packers will charge what you're willing to pay. There's nothing right or wrong about that. - Jim I fly a big canopy and I would not pay an extra buck. Fuck that, it is not that big of a deal. "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #40 October 8, 2004 QuoteI fly a big canopy and I would not pay an extra buck. Fuck that, it is not that big of a deal. So if you're jumping somewhere where the packers charge more for a bigger canopy, then you just pack for yourself... no big deal. As for the rush to downsize, I don't get it either. I do see a lot of peer pressure, even though I would like to think most people are above that. I haven't been staying very current lately, so I am jumping a 150 instead of my 120 (the 150 is about a .87 wingloading for me). Some people have given me a hard time about jumping the bigger canopy, and it is more of a hassle to pack... But I am not going to choose my canopy size by how easy it is to pack or by what others think of me. And for anyone who thinks it's "cool" to jump a tiny canopy that they're not ready for... "Cool" is not an adjective that enters my mind when I see people lying on the ground with blood and bones sticking out everywhere, having their clothes and rig cut off of them. Not that that can't happen with a big canopy, but the higher loaded canopies are a lot less forgiving... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #41 October 8, 2004 I have a NAV 260 that puts me at just about a 1-1. It was a pain to pack at first but I think that’s the case for everyone. I made a point to pack for my self so I can be faster. I can get it done now in 10 min. with out really rushing. The more you do it the easier it gets.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
