President 0 #1 October 7, 2004 Just a thought (NOT a troll!) Besides skydiving I'm also working towards getting my private pilot license. Naturally, I have pilot- friends. Now: I don't see anything in the FAA regulations that prevents me from jumping out of my buddy's plane over my town and land onto my backyard. I did some research online and haven't found anything that says "no". Pros: free, no restrictions, allows to do some really interesting/unusual skydives. Cons: ...... ?? Any thoughts ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #2 October 7, 2004 105.21 Parachute operations over or into a congested area or an open-air assembly of persons. top (a) No person may conduct a parachute operation, and no pilot in command of an aircraft may allow a parachute operation to be conducted from that aircraft, over or into a congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or an open-air assembly of persons unless a certificate of authorization for that parachute operation has been issued under this section. However, a parachutist may drift over a congested area or an open-air assembly of persons with a fully deployed and properly functioning parachute if that parachutist is at a sufficient altitude to avoid creating a hazard to persons or property on the surface. (b) An application for a certificate of authorization issued under this section must— (1) Be made in the form and manner prescribed by the Administrator, and (2) Contain the information required in §105.15(a) of this part. (c) Each holder of, and each person named as a participant in a certificate of authorization issued under this section must comply with all requirements contained in the certificate of authorization. (d) Each holder of a certificate of authorization issued under this section must present that certificate for inspection upon the request of the Administrator, or any Federal, State, or local official.Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #3 October 7, 2004 The pilot needs to have a commercial licence if you pay for anything with him. NOTAM's need filed, but other then the very high risk for injuries on on DZ landings there is nothing stipping you form it.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
President 0 #4 October 7, 2004 Aha, I see. So my backyard is a no-go, but outside of "congested areas" is still fine. Cool, thanks ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #5 October 7, 2004 LOL..LOL...oh president...i cant wait for your next question. I belive you are not a troll. I think you are probably more like a reporter on what skydivers know or you are investigating or a college student doing some sort of assignment on something to do with all this..This is not me trying to hassle you but i and many others i am sure are looking forward to your next post. What if you jumped from a dropzone but deployed your parachute at 12,000ft and fly home and land in your back yard? maybe this will only be classed as a off dz landing and you will get away with it? You could save petrol... Or maybe not! Keep em coming President. Do you take after bush? .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #6 October 7, 2004 Quote Besides skydiving I'm also working towards getting my private pilot license......Pros: free, no restrictions, allows to do some really interesting/unusual skydives. Cons: ...... ?? Any thoughts ? As others have said, it is a congested area, so you would need FAA authorization. You should also consider 91.13 (Careless or Reckless Operation), 91.17 (Dropping Objects), 105.5 (Parachute Operations, General) For a bit more information, see a web feature I wrote called FAA Regulations Applied (Article 13) on The Ranch site at http://ranchskydive.com/safety/index.htm. Other features that deal with skydiving and airplanes include the "New Feature" titled Jumping Through Clouds, article 1, called Checking For Traffic, and article 8 called Airspace.Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #7 October 7, 2004 it's a whole different thing,,, to "just exit any old airplane, at any old place....." You have far to FEW skydives ( if your profile is accurate) for this type of jump... What will you use as your "on the ground" wind reference ???? (windsock).. How will you be sure that your "landing area" is free from obstacles... especially the ones you DON"T see!!!! til you are upon them..... ( Clotheslines, fences, ditches, etc).... PLUS getting out of any plane at altitude, which is NOT configured for skydiving,,, is a WHOLE different game..... Push the door open,,, HOLD it open,, SAFELY pass through the door,,, HOPE none of your handles get snagged......and all this with some pilot who NEVER likely flew with much more than a window open..... let alone the whole door.... If the pilot is not "hip" .. to putting the plane into a bit of a slip,,, as you try to get out... the situation can deteriorate ,,, but quick...... Leave the funny stuff to those with some experience,,, You say you are "just working" on getting your pilots license..... haven't you covered the chapter yet,,,, where they talk about having a HEALTHY RESPECT.... for what you're doing????? because talking about wanting to run around and be "johnny DEMO Jumper",,, soas to impress your neighbors and friends and family.... seems to be WAAAAAY above your current experience level.. I'm not trying to douse your enthusiasm,,, just trying to alert you to the fact that you are YEARS and YEARS away from such activities.... and ONLY then,,, if you follow the correct procedures... A demo jump is a demo jump, ( any parachute landing made well away from a formal DZ..) even if there are No spectators...and so proper paperwork should be filled out,,, Anything else is a bandit jump,,and demonstrates questionable judgement, on the part of any jumper who is so quick to race to that sort of behavior........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
President 0 #8 October 7, 2004 Quote LOL..LOL...oh president...i cant wait for your next question. I belive you are not a troll. I think you are probably more like a reporter on what skydivers know or you are investigating or a college student doing some sort of assignment on something to do with all this..This is not me trying to hassle you but i and many others i am sure are looking forward to your next post. What if you jumped from a dropzone but deployed your parachute at 12,000ft and fly home and land in your back yard? maybe this will only be classed as a off dz landing and you will get away with it? You could save petrol... Or maybe not! Keep em coming President. Do you take after bush? Buon Giorno, BigWay ! no, I'm too old to be a college student (33), nor am I a reporter Actually I like your idea about off-dz landing. Need to ask my JM, I don't think they would disqualify me for that. Gotta go to PD website and find glidepath charts for the Navigator. To get home I need to drift about 50 miles. Let's see.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
President 0 #9 October 7, 2004 Quote For a bit more information, see a web feature I wrote called FAA Regulations Applied (Article 13) on The Ranch site at http://ranchskydive.com/safety/index.htm. Other features that deal with skydiving and airplanes include the "New Feature" titled Jumping Through Clouds, article 1, called Checking For Traffic, and article 8 called Airspace. Thanks a lot, Tom ! Good information. Reading... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #10 October 7, 2004 du er stor rovhul Presidentlol, You want more fun....how about getting your a license and getting pissed. Then do another 40 odd jumps and doing the high alttitude exam and jumping from 20,000ft. Then you could look at maybe learning to freefly and jump with a space ball and tube dives, flocking dives etc....there is alot more to come man, but make sure you live to see your a license. And....yes....i think if you tell your instructor you want to land off the dz intentionally, there will be a good chance he will not let you jump ever again, let alone get in the plane to try it. President, you sound like you have the brains President Bush, and seeing he is your president, then i am sure you will take that as a compliment. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckbrown 0 #11 October 7, 2004 Quote Aha, I see. So my backyard is a no-go, but outside of "congested areas" is still fine. Cool, thanks ! No, your backyard can be a GO, if you have the skill set to safely land there & you file a FAA form 7711-2 (and the local FSDO approves it). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #12 October 7, 2004 And we are sure they will. enjoy president! .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
President 0 #13 October 7, 2004 Quote You have far to FEW skydives ( if your profile is accurate) for this type of jump... What will you use as your "on the ground" wind reference ???? (windsock).. How will you be sure that your "landing area" is free from obstacles... especially the ones you DON"T see!!!! til you are upon them..... ( Clotheslines, fences, ditches, etc).... Yes, my profile is accurate, and NO, I'm not gonna rush and do it right away - need to get my A license first. Wind reference is easy - I bought huge Stars and Stripes - it should do it. Obstacles should of course be evaluated before jumping. Quote PLUS getting out of any plane at altitude, which is NOT configured for skydiving,,, is a WHOLE different game..... Push the door open,,, HOLD it open,, SAFELY pass through the door,,, HOPE none of your handles get snagged......and all this with some pilot who NEVER likely flew with much more than a window open..... let alone the whole door.... Yeah that's a very very good point, altho one of our planes has doors with removable hinges, so it might work. Muchos gracias ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #14 October 7, 2004 Quote What if you jumped from a dropzone but deployed your parachute at 12,000ft and fly home and land in your back yard? maybe this will only be classed as a off dz landing and you will get away with it? You could save petrol... Quote Yeah...YEAH! That's the ticket! Then you can have Morgan Fairchild fill a bunch of trash bags with some lighter than air gases... Hook 'em all up to a lawn chair and.... Humm... ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
President 0 #15 October 7, 2004 Quote du er stor rovhul President Is it Danish ? Sorry, don't speak it.. Quote Then do another 40 odd jumps and doing the high alttitude exam and jumping from 20,000ft. Then you could look at maybe learning to freefly and jump with a space ball and tube dives, flocking dives etc....there is alot more to come man, but make sure you live to see your a license. Cool, these are good ones too ! Quote President, you sound like you have the brains President Bush, and seeing he is your president, then i am sure you will take that as a compliment. Man, I can't believe you're trying to insult me that bad ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #16 October 7, 2004 Quote Then you can have Morgan Fairchild fill a bunch of trash bags with some lighter than air gases... Hook 'em all up to a lawn chair and... ?????????..... Must be a american thing....O .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
President 0 #17 October 7, 2004 Quote Quote Then you can have Morgan Fairchild fill a bunch of trash bags with some lighter than air gases... Hook 'em all up to a lawn chair and... ?????????..... Must be a american thing....O It's a reference to one Darwn Award nominee. Look it up on google - quite funny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #18 October 7, 2004 Don't insult your own president...president...we need at least one country in this world to support this man. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
President 0 #19 October 7, 2004 Quote Don't insult your own president...president...we need at least one country in this world to support this man. We do support him - I'm actually gonna vote for him very soon, but...still like my brains better Anyways - thanks for suggestions ! Oh and BTW: I'm afraid the best I can do (I'm talkng about drfting) is three times the altitude. I other words if I pull at (roughly) 3 miles, without winds, currents etc etc I can drift maximum of 9 miles. Not enough apparently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #20 October 7, 2004 do you really think that there will be no winds at 3 miles high in the sky. Your head lives in paradise. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
President 0 #21 October 7, 2004 Quote do you really think that there will be no winds at 3 miles high in the sky. Your head lives in paradise. No, no, I mean that theoretical limit is 9 miles. Of course in reality there will be many winds in different directions. But I can't even think of utilizing them for my purposes - I guess it will take more than a hundred jumps to figure out the thermals, currents and all that stuff and learn to use those. Actually at Paragliding classes they teach all that stuff - might make sense to check those out at some point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #22 October 7, 2004 by the time students in my class had 50 jumps we were all very competent in finding the spot...maybe to learn all this sort of stuff you need to ask an instructor to teach you. There are always many people on a dropzone that are more than happy to tell you what they know, you just got to be keen. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #23 October 8, 2004 President. if you want to land at your home... just move close to your dropzone and get a bad spot... I know one of my JMs that ended up low in a bad spot and when searching for an off site landing just set down in his front yard... otherwise I think your SOL (according to regs...) until you get your demo rating at least. edited to add... some sarcasm included here... I hope I never get a bad spot but if I did it would be nice to know the terain/environment that I might find myself landing in... i.e. my front/back yard... ScottLivin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #24 October 8, 2004 when i use to jump over farms(at my dz) i got a bad spot, so i looked for the farm house so i could use the phone instead of walking through paddocks for hours(done that), i landed right outside their sun room while two lady's were having afternoon tea. something i always wanted to do. shame they were use to it though. I know someone who landed on a roundabout at a busy highway intersection. I have also seen someone land on a roof on his first aff jump. i do not reccomend getting a bad spot as who knows where you will end up landing. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpinfarmer 0 #25 October 8, 2004 I plan on doing it some day, it's one of my skydiving goals. I however have a 400 acre back yard and if I need an out the front yard is 200 acres. For now listen to what Jimmytavino says. He is a very wise man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
