mouth 0 #1 December 13, 2004 OMG, I just got my rig back from a repack and 4 year cypres check. The cypres had to go back to Germany. After 2 months I just got it back along with a bill ofr the cypres. Repacking both rigs reserves cost me $105 extra. Is this normal? -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutingstar 1 #2 December 13, 2004 4-year Cypres service is $160 plus shipping to/from SSK in Ohio. Battery cost is $79, installed by SSK during the check. Any work done by Airtec in Germany is not extra unless it was rigger/jumper damage. Not sure what you are referring to as for the $105 extra. Was extra work done above and beyond the service, inspections and repacks? Hope the Cypres service pricing helps... MikeChutingStar.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigM 2 #3 December 13, 2004 Cost you $10 more than me. Bill was $255 plus 2 repacks at $40 a piece (one taking it out and 1 putting it back in) comes to to $335. In all fairness, one of the repacks is a normally scheduled repack, so you can't really can't that towards your 4 year maintenance. "When I die, I want to go like my grandmother, who died peacefully in her sleep. Not screaming like all the passengers in her car." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #4 December 13, 2004 Did your rigger charge you $10 to install the cypres back into the rig? I've seen that some riggers and lofts are now starting to charge for little things like install of a cypres, new cypres loops and things like that.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mouth 0 #5 December 13, 2004 The reserve repack on both my rigs was done at the same time. It was the $105 extra above the $345. So basically the rigger at SD ATL took me for over $100 for the cypres check. I guess he just made sure I'll pencil pack it next time I'm at his DZ and need a repack or anything else besides a fast ride to altitude. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #6 December 13, 2004 Lisa could you pst a break down of your bill? I see $160 for the cypres check, $79 for the battery, $40/50 per reserve for a repack. That puts the total bill at $339. I figure he had a little postage to ship it to Ohio so that could be where the other money went. Are you saying the bill was $450?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mouth 0 #7 December 13, 2004 TWO seperate checks. $345 for the cypres and $110 for the repacks. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #8 December 13, 2004 $455.00 for 2 re-packs and 1 Cypres 4-year check! The 4-year check is $160.00 and the batteries are $79.00 = $239.00. You were over-charged $106.00 - shipping (about $20.00 max). $55.00 for a reserve re-pack! I only charge $35.00. Wow, that rigger cashed in. One big family, ya right. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutingstar 1 #9 December 13, 2004 QuoteTWO seperate checks. $345 for the cypres and $110 for the repacks. The only other thing I can think of is that your Cypres was sent in for its 8-year service, but it never had the 4-year service done. If that was the case, then SSK does charge for both the 4-year and 8-year check at the same time. Someone help me out, but I believe it is $310 (I think they only give a $10 or $20 discount off both checks at the same time), plus shipping there/back...so that would put you around $345...if there wasn't a battery change. Is it possible this was the case? MikeChutingStar.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #10 December 13, 2004 I would ask that the rigger give a itemized break down of the total cost. It shouldn't be a big deal if he is on the level."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #11 December 13, 2004 Hi Lisa, Why don't you first call the rigger and ask about the bill? I'm sure there is a rational explanation for the cost of the work. Ask for an itemized bill, if you don't like what you see then take it up with the rigger, if you STILL don't like what you see then bring it here. I'm sure there's a explanation for everything. Please keep us posted as to what you find out. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyberdyber 0 #12 December 13, 2004 I did send you itemized receipts. You could've called and just asked about it. The price included a 4 year with batteries, shipping to SSK, two repacks, new cypres loop and a NEW CUSTOM CUTAWAY HANDLE! It also includes sales tax from SSK, and me for the handle. Your repacks look great. To everyone else on the thread: Nobody got taken here. I do this for a living people. God forbid I actually made some money for my effort. Anyone out there that wants to complain about rigging prices should come rig with me for a day and see how fun it is to close a Mirage when the canopy is oversized in the container. And I still make it look good. I don't enjoy rigging, I do it because I want to know that someone at my DZ is doing it right. It's hard work and high responsibilty. I don't hear anybody complain when it saves your ass from a crappy main pack job! If you don't like my prices, Danny Page is an excellent rigger. Mike Gruwell is an outstanding rigger as well and sounds like he's a lot cheaper too. But more importantly, why is everybody on this website always so prepared to go on a smear campaign against their fellows? Trey http://www.skydiveatlanta.com http://www.musiccityskydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #13 December 13, 2004 QuoteTWO seperate checks. $345 for the cypres and $110 for the repacks. You should have mentioned everything that you were billed for. You made it sound like the rigger was trying to cheat you. Did you go over the itemized receipts or attempt to speak with the rigger before throw this open on the net? SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #14 December 13, 2004 QuoteDid your rigger charge you $10 to install the cypres back into the rig? I've seen that some riggers and lofts are now starting to charge for little things like install of a cypres, new cypres loops and things like that. NOW starting. I thought that was the norm for quite some time. Might be a California thing..... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #15 December 13, 2004 QuoteBut more importantly, why is everybody on this website always so prepared to go on a smear campaign against their fellows? By saying everyone on this site is ready for a smear campaign you are doing the same thing you are complaining about. If you read through the posts, most of the people who responded were either asking for more information or supporting you. If you don't enjoy rigging, maybe you should get into some other line of work. jmo SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mouth 0 #16 December 13, 2004 I'm not sure why I have a new custom cutaway handle. I had one already so it wasn't necessary since I've been jumping that rig now for two months. I had no idea you did that or charged me for it. That said I was expecting a bill for around $250 not $345. Lesson learned. I'm sorry if you don't enjoy rigging. Maybe you shouldn't do it if you hate it so much. No need to charge so much more than the industry norm for the same work. I don't mind paying for something extra but would like to know in advance if you are going to do it. I don't see anything extra except the handle which again I didn't know anything about. I'm pretty sure Danny or Mike do just as good work at the fair market price. As for making a reserve fit a container...a pd 126 fits in an MO. It is paid. I've learned a lesson. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #17 December 13, 2004 No need to charge so much more than the industry norm. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amateur riggers charge $35, while professional riggers charge $55. For as long as I can remember, I have been charging for replacing loops, installing Cypres, etc, because it is loft policy in the major Southern California lofts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mouth 0 #18 December 13, 2004 Define an amateur compared to a professional. Did you get more training? What makes you more of a professional? I'm sure Danny Page appreciates being called an amateur. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #19 December 13, 2004 Professional = Only does rigging/skydiving for a living Amateur = Someone that does rigging as a side project All told with all the items that Trey did, its not too bad of a price to pay. I know around here DZ's charge 40-50 for a repack and some add in extra fees for Racers/Reflexes. I know one rigger that charges extra for a new cypres loop, installing a cypres, and any thing that he does out side folding material and closing the rig.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #20 December 13, 2004 QuoteAmateur riggers charge $35, while professional riggers charge $55. So what's the lesson here? Don't go to riggers that rig full time. I'll put my 'amatuer' $35 reserve pack job up against any 'professional' $55 reserve pack job, any time. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #21 December 13, 2004 I've travelled all over the country and until your post I've never seen anyone offer a repack for $35. My experiences have shown that anywhere from 45-55 is the norm. "Professional" or not. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #22 December 13, 2004 Quote I've travelled all over the country and until your post I've never seen anyone offer a repack for $35. My experiences have shown that anywhere from 45-55 is the norm. "Professional" or not. I think $35 is more common than you realize. The difference is I don't have a DZO adding $10-$20 onto that $35. No middle-man equals lower prices. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fab 0 #23 December 13, 2004 35 usd is actually very cheap. Here in holland I pay 75 euros for a repack (1 euro is 1.3 USD). _______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #24 December 13, 2004 Quotea NEW CUSTOM CUTAWAY HANDLE! Why did you make and charge her for a new cutaway handle if she didn't ask for one? Quotenew cypres loop I replace the reserve (and main) closing loops on every reserve pack job, and it's included in the $35. QuoteI don't enjoy rigging Then don't do it. Do something you enjoy, you'll be happier. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #25 December 13, 2004 QuoteI think $35 is more common than you realize. The difference is I don't have a DZO adding $10-$20 onto that $35. It could be that it's more common than I realize but I deal with most riggers who work privately and their services have always been 45-50. Not saying you're not right, just saying in the Northeast and now GA the prices have been comparable regardless of a dzo's involvment or not. I do feel bad for the rigger in this case though. I'm sure this could have been avoided if he was contacted and the issues discussed. Imagine if you did work for me and I wasn't happy or didn't understand why something was done, and instead of calling and talking to you directly I came here and posted something like this. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be too happy about it if you had a valid reason for your actions and would have preferred it if I contact you first if I had any questions, right? If I have a problem, I go to the source. Seems to make sense to me. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
