lowpole 1 #1 February 13, 2005 Has anyone out had exp. jumping this plane? Owner is pretty green and is not sure how too load for the door.Darwin's Watching! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #2 February 13, 2005 I've got jumps out of a 402 which I *think* is a similar bird. If so CG is sensitive at best. Keep lots of weight foward as each group gets out. Paul Janes at Skydown Skydiving is Idaho is running a 402. Give him a call......http://www.dropzone.com/dropzone/Detailed/461.shtml---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyTM 0 #3 February 13, 2005 as he said, only experience with a 402 but if it is similar watch the tail wing as i had a mate go over it. broken legs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkwing 5 #4 February 13, 2005 Skydown Skydiving in Idaho has a 402 (according to USPA and DZ.com DZ listings). I have no idea how similar they are to a 401. Hopefully more similar than a cessna 207 and 208. -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #5 February 13, 2005 Like everyone else I'm not sure how relevant this is... but I've done 100 or so jumps out of a 411. We'd put two outside (one rear float and one in the door)and one inside the door with everyone else lined up single file inside. Only heard the stall warning horn a few times... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #6 February 13, 2005 I have done a few tandems out of a Cessna 400 series twin. Sorry, but I cannot remember exactly which model it was. We remembered to keep weight well forward until the first few groups had exited. For example, the last tandem kept his pack against the instrument panel until 5 seconds before it was his turn to exit. The door was narrow, so I put my elbows on top of the student's shoulders. Suggest to your pilot that he lower a few notches of flap, to raise the tail, reducing the chances of some git hitting the horizontal stabilizer. Also remind him to fly jumprun fast enough that he still has plenty of control. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkwing 5 #7 February 13, 2005 For those who are curious, here are a couple of photos of a 401 and a 402 photo -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #8 February 13, 2005 Has anyone out had exp. jumping this plane? Owner is pretty green and is not sure how too load for the door. Quote Quote I have a good friend out on the 'Left Coast' that has a 401... He's a semi-retired sky god and jump pilot. I emailed him for any suggestions he may have, and will post his reply when I receive it. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #9 February 13, 2005 Looking at the piccys, I can well believe it. That tail does look awfully low... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #10 February 14, 2005 QuoteSuggest to your pilot that he lower a few notches of flap, to raise the tail, reducing the chances of some git hitting the horizontal stabilizer. Also remind him to fly jumprun fast enough that he still has plenty of control. I know the 402 I've jumped also had quite a bit of ballast (weight) in the nose.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropzonefool 0 #11 February 14, 2005 Thanks for thoes pictures. On the 401 looks like I can see hinges and an extra side to the door that is open. This could possably make the door wider for tandems and big ways, however the tail look awfull low, and close to the door. -------------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #12 February 14, 2005 Now that is one narrow door...and I thought king airs had small doors! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beezyshaw 0 #13 February 14, 2005 The one thing I can add to this is...when jumping a 400 series Cessna, skydive down! I've known of at least one fatality and several non-fatal tail strikes because of exiting in a conventional "student" poised arch-type exit. If it were me flying that bird, I'd plan on a power-flaps-pitch combination that resulted in a minimum prop blast, nose low attitude; even if it means losing a bit of altitude on jump run. A few hundred feet of altitude loss is a lot less expensive than a stabilizer and/or a human life. So, these planes can and have been jumped successfully, but proper planning to avoid an accident is imperative. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #14 February 14, 2005 QuoteI've known of at least one fatality and several non-fatal tail strikes because of exiting in a conventional "student" poised arch-type exit. If an operation were using them for AFF they might consider the seated "206U" style exit.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #15 February 15, 2005 We had one in Cal City and I hated it for AFF and Tandems. For up-jumpers it's okay as long as they don't snag anything around the small door and are observant of the horizontal stabilizer position. With medium to large size AFF students the early levels are hard to launch. I found myself alone with AFF Level Ones so many times we started figuring the second jumpmaster was in the plane just to make things legal. I'm an A&P mechanic, although I never did any work on one, but they always seemed underpowered to me and when fully loaded we used a lot of RWY. To get my mind off an engine going south at that point I always kept myself busy doing something else. I was in the right seat one day, no students on board, and I mentioned my concerns to the pilot. He promptly pulled the right throttle back and scared the hell out of everyone in the back. We had a hell of an argument later about that. I won't say this series Cessna is involved in a lot of mishaps, as there are a lot of factors to consider like maintenance, pilot, weather, etc. but it seems over the years I've seen them mentioned quite a bit. At the DZ we called that aircraft a four-oh-shit . . . NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lowpole 1 #16 February 20, 2005 I said the same thing to the pilot , that taill is way! too close and if you have to sacrifice alt. for head clearance that's a good thing! and too the people talking about a "small door" when we took apart the "lux" door , the was almost as big as an otter.\ thanks for the input from everybody! I really appreciate the feedback.Darwin's Watching! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lowpole 1 #17 February 20, 2005 Don't jump (up,out) or anything than other than down! if you jump up out -the-door YOU WILL HIT THE TAIL!!!!!!!!!!!! no, shit!Darwin's Watching! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lowpole 1 #18 February 20, 2005 What was the usual load (# of bodys) and or weight, Also did you fuel wingtip or inboard?Darwin's Watching! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
