dropdeded 0 #1 February 25, 2005 So, whats it like to jump from 23,000 ft.?? dropdeded------------------------------------------ The Dude Abides. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scrumpot 1 #2 February 25, 2005 Fun? ...coitus non circum - Moab Stone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #3 February 25, 2005 >So, whats it like to jump from 23,000 ft.?? Cold. Coldest jump I've ever been on was from 26,000. Exit temp was -34F. That's before windchill is factored in. I exited, breathed out - and immediately my visor went completely white from frost. Fortunately I could still see through the crack in the top. It was unnerving, approaching 300 other people looking through a little slit. Fortunately no one got hurt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #4 February 25, 2005 QuoteFun? ... expensive? if it involves the same flight chamber testing and much of the prebreathing, and nearly as much money, is it better to just go for 30? or imprudent to skip? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #5 February 25, 2005 23k does'nt need the chamber rides. Its reccommend but not needed. And in the March issue of Parachutist it looks like 30k Skydives are no more. FAA locked all airspace above 29k and they expect few exceptions to it.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #6 February 25, 2005 Quote23k does'nt need the chamber rides. Its reccommend but not needed. And in the March issue of Parachutist it looks like 30k Skydives are no more. FAA locked all airspace above 29k and they expect few exceptions to it. What was the reason for that? Commercial traffic only? Guess we could still do 29k HALOs, at that point, whats another 1k?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #7 February 25, 2005 Unbelievably cold, but also one of the coolest things you'll ever do.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #8 February 25, 2005 QuoteAnd in the March issue of Parachutist it looks like 30k Skydives are no more. FAA locked all airspace above 29k and they expect few exceptions to it. That's MSL, right?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travman 6 #9 February 25, 2005 I saw on the doco about the 300way that they had to bring in hundreds of goggles, because visors were fogging up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #10 February 25, 2005 Yep. MSL. Those that have done the 30k civilian skydive might now be in a very elite group since seems its no longer open for new members.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #11 February 25, 2005 Quote23k does'nt need the chamber rides. Its reccommend but not needed. And in the March issue of Parachutist it looks like 30k Skydives are no more. FAA locked all airspace above 29k and they expect few exceptions to it. For Davis's annual 24/30, I think the requirements were pretty close, save a few bucks. A shame about the change - you want that "3" in front. But as long as it's above Everest (29035), ok. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #12 February 25, 2005 Make sure that you stay on the oxygen provided. It is very important. There is less air friction because of the thin air. You have to expect less control and a faster fall rate at first. Also, your "internal clock" will be freaked out because you are in freefall for one minute and still up there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropdeded 0 #13 February 25, 2005 There is less air friction because of the thin air. You have to expect less control and a faster fall rate at first. ------------------------------------------------------------- So is baggy gonna help, or just have fun and go with it until the air's a little denser? dropdeded------------------------------------------ The Dude Abides. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #14 February 25, 2005 Quote There is less air friction because of the thin air. You have to expect less control and a faster fall rate at first. ------------------------------------------------------------- So is baggy gonna help, or just have fun and go with it until the air's a little denser? dropdeded Go with it, have fun. I have done 4-way out of Mullins King Air from 23,000. You are turning points and turning points and then... whaaa? I'm still at 10K. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #15 February 25, 2005 Quote Go with it, have fun. I have done 4-way out of Mullins King Air from 23,000. You are turning points and turning points and then... whaaa? I'm still at 10K. we did a 2 way at 23k just to see how many points we could get. i lost track at 30 MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #16 February 25, 2005 The FAA only has jurisdiction over a very small part of the world's airspace . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #17 February 25, 2005 QuoteThe FAA only has jurisdiction over a very small part of the world's airspace . thank goodness... so much for the 'land of the free' ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #18 February 25, 2005 Is it because of the new reduced vertical separation above 28,000 feet? If so, you could do it in the U.S., but you'll need a certified aircraft and aircrew to fly into that airspace, I think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #19 February 25, 2005 >So is baggy gonna help? Not really. If you're exiting from something like Mullins King Air, you won't feel too much difference overall. Your speeds will be a lot faster and that will make up for the less dense air (i.e. you'll have the same ability to turn, drive forward etc) but it may take you a little longer to reach that speed. As you get lower you'll start to slow down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropdeded 0 #20 February 25, 2005 Yeah, Mullins King Air. Also gonna do an observer ride before he leaves town. Seen that thing after exiting a few times recently and it looks like quite a ride. dropdeded------------------------------------------ The Dude Abides. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #21 February 25, 2005 I guess it requires additial pilot certs, ratings and the aircraft need to be upgraded to have "precise and expensive altimetry, Auto-pilot and collision avoidance systems to be certified." The FAA says to expect few exceptions.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #22 February 25, 2005 QuoteI saw on the doco about the 300way that they had to bring in hundreds of goggles, because visors were fogging up. It was because they had the heaters on in the planes, we had our helmets on with oxygen, it was -24 at altitude and the condensation on the inside of your helmets face shield would freeze as soon as you left the door. I was lucky, mine never did because I was in SharkAir and it has NO HEATER! Keepin' it safe! Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skylord 1 #23 February 25, 2005 QuoteIs it because of the new reduced vertical separation above 28,000 feet? If so, you could do it in the U.S., but you'll need a certified aircraft and aircrew to fly into that airspace, I think. Ding, ding, we have a winner. We (the FAA) implemented Domestic Reduced Vertical Separation Minima last month. Above FL290, we used to use 2,000 ft. altitude separation, now for "participating aircraft, it is 1,000 ft. I am no longer a center controller, but the altiudes affected are FL300 to FL 410 (I am pretty sure). As was already pointed out there are special aircrew and equipment certs required to be considered "participating". I doubt many skydive planes have the requirements met. I would think there would be a waiver of some sort rather than a blanket prohibition on non participating aircraft being in DRVSM airspace. Let me check a little more with my center compadres and I'll be back in a jiffy... BobBob Marks "-when you leave the airplane its all wrong til it goes right, its a whole different mindset, this is why you have system redundancy." Mattaman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #24 February 25, 2005 What about the Mullin's plane and WTS' HALO jumps? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #25 February 25, 2005 Not as good as a Birdman jump from 20300... I got 236 seconds on that one...tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
