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Jeremy (and others), There is no need to take what Ron is saying so personally. (or just the opposite, maybe you do, but...) If you can just shove some of that personal bravado/pride aside sometimes and listen to the CONTENT, you will find that oft times he does actually have something valuable to say. Like you say yourself Jeremy, and what I find it interesting you are also asking for some slack yourself now for, is the way your opinions come off so strong ...yet you want to attack or attack/defend back in the same way!
Unfortunately now as a result you just happen to be the one getting caught singled out & now in the middle of all this. Bowing out & simply "listening" at the point of (where you responded to Bill Von & myself with): Hmmmm.... "you can learn something new every day -I stand totally corrected" was perfectly appropriate, and held with it no shame at all. I have been "corrected" on these boards over my few years experience here myself many times!
You did say:
And in that you were "wrong". Would Ron have instead saying it in the fashion that you were "Mistaken", were "incorrect" or had been "Mis-guided" have been gentler, or more "PC"? Perhaps.
The difference here though, and current point that Ron as I see it is now trying to get across to you, is that you are trying to enter into a "pissing match" now with him. ...And on the amount of "piss" (read: EXPERIENCE) that you have available in comparison to him?? ...Well, there quite simply is just no contest there.
I appreciate that you have attempted to ammend your misguided earlier asserted "points". I can even understand that. But you are getting "busted" on doing that now, and there really is no need for it. Learning is supposed to be good. There should be no shame or embarrassment over inexprience, or having been mistaken or misguided because of it. Please accept the learning experience instead (as you ALMOST did) and put the "attitude" away.
Can that be said to/about Ron too? ...Perhaps, but I can also identify with his frustration. He just wants to keep you safe, and really wants you to LISTEN (which it does not seem like you are doing ...for whatever reason), that's all.
Consider it as being the bigger person if you want to. Whatever works for you. In the end analysis hopefully though all the posts, debate, and yes even differences of opinion (I had several with Bill Von earlier too ...remember? ---NO BIG DEAL) have given you something to consider, and constructively take away from all this!
Blue Skies,
-Grant
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Jeremy (and others), There is no need to take what Ron is saying so personally. (or just the opposite, maybe you do, but...) If you can just shove some of that personal bravado/pride aside sometimes and listen to the CONTENT, you will find that oft times he does actually have something valuable to say. Like you say yourself Jeremy, and what I find it interesting you are also asking for some slack yourself now for, is the way your opinions come off so strong ...yet you want to attack or attack/defend back in the same way!
Unfortunately now as a result you just happen to be the one getting caught singled out & now in the middle of all this. Bowing out & simply "listening" at the point of (where you responded to Bill Von & myself with): Hmmmm.... "you can learn something new every day -I stand totally corrected" was perfectly appropriate, and held with it no shame at all. I have been "corrected" on these boards over my few years experience here myself many times!
You did say:
QuoteI would call disconnecting something that will pull your reserve and leave you unable to disconnect the thing draggeing you a safety decision, I dont care about grass stains but being pulled into traffic, onto an active runway or into a fence can seriously hurt, I know to ground my main on landing but IF you start getting dragged you might not be able to stop, or even be able to pull your RSL before trying to cut away, even the time issue on the ground might cost you some nasty tire or propeller marks
And in that you were "wrong". Would Ron have instead saying it in the fashion that you were "Mistaken", were "incorrect" or had been "Mis-guided" have been gentler, or more "PC"? Perhaps.
The difference here though, and current point that Ron as I see it is now trying to get across to you, is that you are trying to enter into a "pissing match" now with him. ...And on the amount of "piss" (read: EXPERIENCE) that you have available in comparison to him?? ...Well, there quite simply is just no contest there.
I appreciate that you have attempted to ammend your misguided earlier asserted "points". I can even understand that. But you are getting "busted" on doing that now, and there really is no need for it. Learning is supposed to be good. There should be no shame or embarrassment over inexprience, or having been mistaken or misguided because of it. Please accept the learning experience instead (as you ALMOST did
) and put the "attitude" away.
Can that be said to/about Ron too? ...Perhaps, but I can also identify with his frustration. He just wants to keep you safe, and really wants you to LISTEN (which it does not seem like you are doing ...for whatever reason), that's all.
Consider it as being the bigger person if you want to. Whatever works for you. In the end analysis hopefully though all the posts, debate, and yes even differences of opinion (I had several with Bill Von earlier too ...remember? ---NO BIG DEAL) have given you something to consider, and constructively take away from all this!
Blue Skies,
-Grant
coitus non circum - Moab Stone
I got it in my head from his (ron's) first reply that this was a slugging match and am too bull headed to back off, the sad part is I've re-read the posts and he really didn't come at me hard in the beginning. I had a stipid and now corrected reason to worry about high wind.. what gets me riled up is being told my Opionion is wrong, that my use of safety gear means I'm one of "them" those that use tech to replace skill and training. The problem is that 1 this is all preception and opinion so as much as I got into Ron for attacks on opinion I was doing the same.. I see a diff between choosing a cypress because it exists and being dependent on it, Ron aparently dosn't I hate my words being used against me especially when they are taken out of context in my reply I said I would ride the plane down with an OFF cypress, what I needed to make clear (thought I had) was that the cypress being off is the least of the reasons I woud ride the plane down, its part of my gear check to MAKE SURE its on I'm not gonna trust the rest of my prep if something so basic was goofed. Also having a malfunctioning cypress is far far far worse then not having one at all if I did turn it on and it was reading off on the same day something is up, I'd rather not findout the hard way just how bad the malfunction is.
To Ron: I'll take a breath next time before replying and I'll try to keep 1 on thread and 2 make my statments clear the first time.
TO FIRST TIME sorry your thread got hijacked
Edited to add (damn I cant spell for Ship)
Good Judgment comes from experience...a lot of experience comes from bad
judgment.
To Ron: I'll take a breath next time before replying and I'll try to keep 1 on thread and 2 make my statments clear the first time.
TO FIRST TIME sorry your thread got hijacked
Edited to add (damn I cant spell for Ship)
Good Judgment comes from experience...a lot of experience comes from bad
judgment.
And you will either do it right, or die. No amount of practice will make it 100% sure you will handle it right. I know several folks that did it wrong...Some lived...Some died. They ALL thought they could handle it and they ALL THOUGHT they practiced enough. NONE of them thought they were going to die.
You said it right here:
And while your hand is disconnecting the RSL, what are you useing to control the canopy? You have three hands? Ever dropped a toggle yet? Its killed people ya know. So if you have one hand out of the toggles...UH I hate to break it to you, but you have to quit flying the canopy to disconnect the RSL.
No, I know the mistakes that people have made over, and over, and over, and over...And they ALL THOUGHT they were better than the last guy that bounced.
I do know the failings that 20-30 jumpers make every year for the last 10 years.
I have had my fair share of mistakes...And I know what I was thinking durring those times. Not once was I cool enough to think "Hey, Im in a canopy wrap...I should disconnect that RSL before I cut away"...And further more I don't know ONE person that has ever done that...But I don know SEVERAL folks that have done the wrong thing in that same situation...Hell I almost did once. I almost cut away during a wrap. I was reaching for the handles when I stopped...I rode the mess in. Two riggers on the scene told me I would have died if I had cut away...The other canopy was wrapped around my container. My reserve would not have cleared it. Now I had 3 canopy wraps before that experience...And 1600 jumps. If I had 300 I would probably be dead right now.
So I have seen/expereinced/heard of/thought about/dreamed about/been yelled at for/been carted off to the hospital for/cried while my buddies have been put to rest...much more times than you can imagine right now.
And to behonest I would really you never have to do any of those things.
Pain hurts, losing friends sucks.
Someone wrote on here:
The problem with skydiving is...If you suck and keep jumping, you are gonna die. If you are good and keep jumping, you are gonna see a lot of friends die.
I'd rather people listen some and quit dying than quit.
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