daisy-chain jump with s/l

[sfzombie13 324]

has anyone ever seen or been in one of these? i saw one once in the military, sf guys are pretty ballsy. it's when 4 or 5 people in s/l rigs go out holding onto the s/l of the guy in front of him. the last guy is hooked up and the exit alt is about 1000'. it's cool for the last guy, at least that's what they say. i dug it, but they wouldn't let me do it.

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[jimbarry 0]

Whoaaa.

So each person just "holds" the s/l? i might feel a little better about it if each s/l was clipped to a d-ring on the guy above's harness. Eh, forget it, not sure if i feel better about it even then.

Do they just hold the s/l and d-bag all the way down? Or drop it?

[SkiD_PL8 0]

2 words... FUCK THAT

Greenie in training.

[sfzombie13 324]

1st guy jumps then 2d, etc. when the last guy opens, the 3d guy's s/l opens his, etc. when you do your checks, you rool up the s/l d-bag attached and stuff it in your pocket. i wanted to do it bad, but they said i didn't have enough experience. the last guy out on the pass i watched opened at about 5-600 ft. it's cool as hell.

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[divnswoop 0]

I saw this on a BASE video,"Thread the Needle II." One guy on the bridge holding a P/C of a guy who had another P/C from the guy next to him. They left together, the 1st guy got P/C assisted, and as he opened he held onto jumper 2 P/C.......the second guy got almost 2 sec freefall from 220'!!!!!


There's info in the Base forum about how to find the dvd....

[mark 107]

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has anyone ever seen or been in one of these?

Wamego, Kansas; K-State Parachute Club; late 80's; C-182. The static line rigs were pilot-chute assist. The group launched a 3-way round. There was a brief moment of panic when the first guy had a pilot chute hesitation...

Mark

[pilotdave 0]

BASE: http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=1667

Check out this video too... just before the end, three skydivers are attached by a static line...first guy pulls, which pulls the second guy, which pulls the last guy. Pretty nuts.

Dave

[winsor 236]

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has anyone ever seen or been in one of these? i saw one once in the military, sf guys are pretty ballsy. it's when 4 or 5 people in s/l rigs go out holding onto the s/l of the guy in front of him. the last guy is hooked up and the exit alt is about 1000'. it's cool for the last guy, at least that's what they say. i dug it, but they wouldn't let me do it.

The procedure was to connect the snap hook of the static line of the person ahead of you in the stick to the left D-ring outboard of the reserve.

Holding on to the static line with your hand is a bad plan. Even if things go right, deployment forces may be greater than you can handle, and you have a few of your pals in freefall well below pattern altitude. Not good.

If you somehow secure the static line so you can't let go, the static line is strong enough to rip your arm off at the shoulder socket. This scenario also leaves something to be desired.

The way to pull it off without getting court-martialed was to come up with some spare static lines from the rigger shed, so you have something to hand the jumpmaster before exit. Since the approach in our unit was for the last man in the stick to hook his reserve below the main of the next guy and RUN for the door (exit delay? what's that?), bodies thus came out of the aircraft like toothpaste from a tube on which someone had stepped - emptying a C-130 in like 5 seconds - and the jumpmaster didn't get a clear look at the offending arrangement.

The most that anyone did while I was around was four IIRC. With six, from 1,250 feet with T-10s, the last guy gets maybe an oscillation or two before arriving - if EVERYTHING goes right. If exit altitude is at all low, or if someone has the slightest hesitation, you begin to lose people, so five was considered an operational limit.

FWIW, the average IQ in my unit hovered around room-temperature (in Fahrenheit), and daisy-chain jumps were a reflection of limited intellectual acuity mixed with an excess of testosterone (and God knows what else). The rate of "death by misadventure" amongst my comrades was simply horrendous.

Go ahead and try it if you're game, but be advised that, if you make a habit of it, it is not so much a question of IF as WHEN and HOW BAD.


All the way,

Winsor

[sfzombie13 324]

i was told that in sf, a team would go up and yes, they would hold it in their hands. one wrap around the had to show that you trusted your life to your team members. i've heard of as many as 6 going out at once, but 5 was the norm. as for the static line to the safety, they kinda turned the other way when one of these happened. even still, i was sworn to secrecy, which is why i'll never let any details out, such as date, names, dz. long tabs get a little more leeway when it comes to rules, they've earned it. and besides, that's the way they operate. don't get me wrong, there are the rules that nobody breaks, but the details are often left to the devices of the team commander.

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[Doogie320 0]

I've seen 3 of our JM's do it from a UH-1H about 2K. The s/l was attached to another jumper's d-ring on the harness. This was about 93-94 and the only O present was the company commander.

As for holding the s/l? That almost sounds like an urban legend. IIRC the break cord is around 75 lb. or so.... I'd think the forces involved would be a bit much for a human arm to handle without some injury. I've been wrong before though.

[Kris 0]

I've heard of people doing what's called a "flat stack pull" with normal rigs. They get into 4-way side-body then #1 pulls the PC of the person next to him, and so on, and so on, and so on.

Ummm....none for me thanks!

Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and
Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™

[skr 1]

> has anyone ever seen or been in one of these?

Now why would anybody ... ??

Well, as G'Kar said, we all do things for the same
reason - it seemed like a good idea at the time.


I remember, 1964 I believe, we had cloud cover
at 2,000 ft so we were doing quick two ways and
separating and opening.

You could do that because those rounds opened
faster than today's long snivel squares, and also
you didn't need as much horizontal separation.

On one jump we rigged the other guy's rig as a
static line, hooked it to my left D-ring, climbed out
on the strut of the 182, and left side by side.

There was a brief moment of interesting facial
expressions as I started to sink below him :-) :-)

I grabbed air, he tucked up, I pulled and it worked.


I'm glad I was young once.

I'm glad I'm not that young any more :-) :-)

Skr