Whatzit? (Aircraft Part ID)

[Hooknswoop 19]

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Always helpful to keep that instrument scan up!

I pulled an engine oil pressue CB on a Twin Otter not long after take off. I watched the pilot to see when he would notice it and to calm him when he realized one of the engines had no oil pressure. Well, finally, I had to get ready for exit, so I put it back in. I wasn't impressed with the pilot.

Derek

[AggieDave 6]

That's a fuel cylinode, right?

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[akjmpplt 0]

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I pulled an engine oil pressue CB

Hmmm, I would notice. And after you explained that you had pulled it I would explain to you why you would never again ride in an a/c I was flying.

SmugMug

[diablopilot 2]

You probably kicked your CFI's ass when he simulated an engine out on ya too didn't ya?

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You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

[Hooknswoop 19]

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Hmmm, I would notice.

I'm sure you would.

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And after you explained that you had pulled it I would explain to you why you would never again ride in an a/c I was flying.

I wouldn't have done it to you

I had been watching this pilot for a while. He thought he was god's gift to aviation, but made a lot of small mistakes. If he would have caught it and banned from any airplane he was flying, I would have been OK with that. As it was, I banned myself from flying with him.

Derek

[akjmpplt 0]

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You probably kicked your CFI's ass when he simulated an engine out on ya too didn't ya?

Big difference between a CFI, who knows what's going on with the aircraft, and a passenger who may not know about systems changes, etc.

SmugMug

[Hooknswoop 19]

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Big difference between a CFI, who knows what's going on with the aircraft, and a passenger who may not know about systems changes, etc.

I'm a pilot and was an AH-64A Apache crewchief for 6 years. I knew the systems better than this pilot did, which isn't saying much.

You would have been rightfully pissed because you would have caught it. This guy didn't have a clue and flew almost the whole flight to altitude w/o noticing.

Derek

[jumpwally 0]

With all due respect,,I don't think that was cool,,if you were the only one on the plane,well, its your ass. If myself or others are on this flight and don't know about your antic's,,well that is not cool. You never know how someone will re-act to stuff like that...........................Think,,,,,well?

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[Hooknswoop 19]

I was watching the pilot very carefully to let him know the deal if he noticed the oil pressure guage. I would think a bigger concern is that he didn't notice it. This is a pilot people trusted their lives to.

Skydivers tend to think every pilot that manages to get them to altitude is an awesome pilot. Most skydivers can't judge a pilot's abilities. I suspected this pilot was a lousy pilot, confirmed it, and didn't get in the plane with him ever again. Everyone else did though.

Derek

[2fat2fly 0]

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Well john!!!

That would be an egciter box, that has replaced igniters on most PT6's. In the $4000. range

'fraid not. That is definitetly not a turbine exciter.

I am not the man. But the man knows my name...and he's worried

[packerboy 3]

And it looks much more like an alarm clock/coffee maker/dog food opener than it does a flux capacitor.

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[FrogNog 1]

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With all due respect,,I don't think that was cool,,if you were the only one on the plane,well, its your ass. If myself or others are on this flight and don't know about your antic's,,well that is not cool. You never know how someone will re-act to stuff like that...........................Think,,,,,well?

Meh, as a fellow skydiver I could respect this if he didn't do it until above 2k.

(Students and Tandems may feel differently.)

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[Icon134 0]

Its looks like a forged part as well... which would add to the expensive nature of the part.

[deadwood 0]

Quit yer bitchin.
You are all contributing to my retirment fund.

Rich Greenwood
Pratt & Whitney Flight Safety
Albuquerque New Mexico

He who hesitates shall inherit the earth.

Deadwood
Skydive New Mexico Motorcycle Club, Touring Division

[drakeshelby 0]

MMMMMMM!!! Food!! The heck with the fuel pump, I am hungry!!

drakeshelby

[slinton 0]

Hey John,

Don't quote me on this but I believe that is a FCU (fuel control unit) for the PT6.

I'll go dig out my books and see if I can tell you for sure.

Steve

[JohnRich 4]

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I believe that is a FCU (fuel control unit) for the PT6.
I'll go dig out my books and see if I can tell you for sure.

No need to go digging - you are correct!

[skybill 22]

Hi JR,
In spite of all the guess's saying it is some kind of fuel control unit (a fancy name for a carburator) it'sall B.S.!!!! What you have there is a Mk IV Mod O Cretasphram which attaches to the oscillating rotostat. If the data plate S/N ends in "P" then it goes on the left side and if it ends in "S" it goes on the right side.

SCR-2034, SCS-680

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Deli-out

[usedtajump 1]

That's the fuel control unit you guys called Dallas Airmotive about last weekend isn't it. I know, I work there in customer service and heard about the call the standby guy got.

The older I get the less I care who I piss off.

[JohnRich 4]

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That's the fuel control unit you guys called Dallas Airmotive about last weekend isn't it. I know, I work there in customer service and heard about the call the standby guy got.

I heard they were going to Dallas for the replacement part, so that must be the one!

[turtlespeed 226]

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But, if it fell out of a plane, how deep would the hole be?

What do you think it's fall rate would be???

And if you shot one from a gun . . . strait up . . . ?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Foursprouts 0]

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I was watching the pilot very carefully to let him know the deal if he noticed the oil pressure guage.

If this guy is as bad a pilot as you think he is maybe he would see the oil pressure reading zero and think crap I am going to break a $300,000 engine and then without looking at anything else just go ahead and shut it down. If he is such a bad pilot do you really want to put yourself and everyone else in that plane in a single engine situation with him. I have never flown an otter but I bet it is just a case of pulling a lever back. You think if he went for it you would be able to stop him. Would he listen to you or would he wait until he saved $300,000. If he is as bad as you think, that could happen. The best idea would be to talk to another pilot to keep an eye on him. You may know how a fuse works but you don't know how his mind will. Pilots dont mess with your rig, how would you like it if he turned off your cypress too see if you noticed and then thought he had better turn it back on at 8,000ft because he didn't want you to jump with it off. He should have noticed but that is not the best way to see if someone is on the ball.

[Hooknswoop 19]

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If he is such a bad pilot do you really want to put yourself and everyone else in that plane in a single engine situation with him.

No, I don't. Which is why I didn't get back in the airplane with him.

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If this guy is as bad a pilot as you think he is maybe he would see the oil pressure reading zero and think crap I am going to break a $300,000 engine and then without looking at anything else just go ahead and shut it down.

Yes, which is what I was watching for.

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The best idea would be to talk to another pilot to keep an eye on him

And tell the other pilot what? Keep an eye on him so that you are there to watch when something bad does happen?

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Pilots dont mess with your rig, how would you like it if he turned off your cypress too see if you noticed and then thought he had better turn it back on at 8,000ft because he didn't want you to jump with it off.

Not that it matters, but a pilot, or anyone for that matter, would not have been able to turn off my Cypres without my knowing, because I didn't have one, and if I did, I would notice someone messing w/ my rig.

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He should have noticed but that is not the best way to see if someone is on the ball.

Then we disagree. What is your thoughts on how to confirm your fears that the jump pilot is a poor pilot?

Derek

[Foursprouts 0]

Sorry for posting about something unrelated to the first topic but thought it is worth saying.

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Yes, which is what I was watching for.

As I said before, I have not flown an otter but again I assume the prop levers may also be the condition levers, if not I am sure that the fuel cut off is close. If you had the fuse pulled for as long as you say I would be amazed if at some point the pilot had not put his hands up there to tweak the engines or props, you would not have had time to stop him shutting one down. Obviously if he had noticed the oil pressure the first thing he should have looked at was the oil temp and then straight over to the pulled fuse but you say he is a bad pilot so he may have just switched it off. Very unlikely but people do weird shit sometimes.

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And tell the other pilot what? Keep an eye on him so that you are there to watch when something bad does happen?

I have worked for four skydiving operations and I know how nervous the jumpers in the back are with a new pilot. I cannot believe that it is only you who think he is a bad pilot because for a long time lots of people would be watching him very closely. Even after six months at my current place of work I still have experienced members off staff who know about the plane (not always pilots) looking at me and what is going on with the guages. I am glad that they take an interest. Because other people at your center must also think he is not good talk to him or another pilot or the DZO and ask to have someone else in the right seat for a few hours to give him another check out. What I expect, as I am sure he can fly the plane or else he would not be there is that he has become complacent and lazy which can be very dangerous. All he may need is for someone to have a talk with him (pilot/DZO/experienced member of staff) and say that he needs to pay more attention. If after that he is still not watching what is going on the DZO would probably start looking for another pilot. I bet as soon as he knew people were concerned he would improve a lot as he would not want to lose his job.

Your method put people in danger and you confirmed to yourself that he is not paying attention to what is going on. How has that helped make that DZ a safer place to jump?

[Hooknswoop 19]

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How has that helped make that DZ a safer place to jump?

This is all moot since the pilot isn't flying anymore as far as I know, I'm not jumping, and your thoughts on a right seat pilot or a check ride are nice, but would not actually happen at most DZ's. It didn't make the DZ a safer place, it made me a safer jumper because I wouldn't fly with him. Did I bother to tell anyone about my experiment at the time? No. I have brought up some issues before and was scoffed at, not believed, etc. So why bother? Skydivers just want to jump, they don't want to hear about safetry or lack of aircraft maint, etc. They say they care, then when push comes to shove, they don't do anything. The average jumper is apathetic when it comes to safety. It's a cult mentality, they refuse to admit that their DZ could ever have any safety issues.

Derek