Praetorian 1 #1 May 17, 2005 So I'm curious, if you could only jump one type of jumpship from now on, would you rather have an Otter/caravan type or a tail gate skytruck, skyvan (c-130) BE FAIR all else being equal, climb rate room cost etc. and because I cannot think of a way to include the little cessnas lets leave them out of this discussion Good Judgment comes from experience...a lot of experience comes from bad judgment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #2 May 17, 2005 For launching RW or FF exits, I'm all about a huge Otter or PAC door with plenty of room inside and out for all. Although I've yet to jump my wingsuit from a tailgate, I'm sure it would be a blast.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
homer 0 #3 May 17, 2005 The only tail gates I have done were military out of a C-130. Personally I started jumping at a c182 DZ and currently jump at one with a c206. So I don't care what kind of door it has as long as I get to jump out of it. You see I'm not a spoiled turban DZ brat who thinks there better than everyone else and a jump plain that takes more than 20 minutes to altitude isn't worth my time. I will ride all day if it means I get to jump from it with my friends. Praetorian- no personal attack against you. CSA #699 Muff #3804 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #4 May 17, 2005 QuoteAlthough I've yet to jump my wingsuit from a tailgate, I'm sure it would be a blast. It is I've got WAY more tailgate jumps then side door exits and I like them a lot. Only issue is not everyone knows how to exit stable out one and most people flip a few times.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travman 6 #5 May 17, 2005 I love the skyvan at my DZ. Its fast, roomy and a nice big back door to setup exits. Fun to do flips out of too. Though it can be intimidating for a student walking up to the big door looking down at the ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #6 May 17, 2005 Hell, do some more side door exits, I swear not everyone knows how to exit stable from one of those either...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nael 0 #7 May 18, 2005 It depends what kind of jump I am doing, but usually it is 4 way, in which case I like a side door exit because that's what you are required to exit from at the Nationals so it's good practice. If I'm doing a 10 way or something, tailgate exit is much easier. BUT - I voted side door, cause I didnt read all the options first. www.TerminalSports.com.auAustralia's largest skydive gear store Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #8 May 18, 2005 Well, technically at the USPA Nationals if a host DZ really wanted to they could saw RW was to be held out of a tailgate. Every so many years at the World meet its out of tailgates.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #9 May 18, 2005 Tailgates are so easy to launch large RW formations, and to get everyone out quick. It is so nice to be able to get grips and get set without hanging on outside. While it can be fun to hang on outside a side door plane, it is more demanding of the jumpers to launch something, compared to what you have to get used to for a tailgate. Plus, it is so easy to launch weird stuff, like tubes, side by side interlocked tubes...People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #10 May 18, 2005 IF all things were equal it would be a tailgate, but I've yet to jump a tailgate that climbs as well or is as comfortable to ride all day as Caravans or Otters.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DancingFlame 0 #11 May 18, 2005 QuoteHell, do some more side door exits, I swear not everyone knows how to exit stable from one of those either... Oh, come on. Try some helicopter exitz. I swear even those are not so simple Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #12 May 18, 2005 Personally, our Skyvan is nicer than the Otter. If it was a bit quieter it'd be perfect. That said, we don't have bench seats in any of our aircraft - we have sit-between-each-others-legs on the Otter & Beaver, and sit on the floor for the Skyvan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travman 6 #13 May 18, 2005 QuoteQuoteHell, do some more side door exits, I swear not everyone knows how to exit stable from one of those either... Oh, come on. Try some helicopter exitz. I swear even those are not so simple I jumped out of an Iriquois at the recent War Memorial open day... unfortunatley it was parked firmly on the ground at the time. Freefall was short - sub terminal, landing was good - stand up, with no flare...or parachute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jas8472 0 #15 May 18, 2005 QuoteAN72 VERY COOL!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kjarv 0 #16 May 18, 2005 Where's the "Bomb Bay" option. I want a belly door! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #17 May 18, 2005 All else equal I'd take the tailgate over the side door. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #18 May 18, 2005 The fact that it's exceedingly dificult for jumpers to stall an otter, combined with the brutally strong tail, STOL, and fixed gear make it an ideal jumpship. Every other plane out there has significantly more risk: King air: risk of gear up landing, tail strike. Caravan: tail strike, stall characteristics PAC: tail strike, stall characteristics SkyVan: stall characteristics (the painted red line) CASA: stall characteristics (the painted red line) Some of these (like the risk of gear up landings) are concerns only to insurance companies and plane owners. Others (like the stall characteristics on jumprun, or a tailstrike on exit) need to be at the forefront of jumpers minds on every skydive. If I'm going to spend 5 hours each weekend flying in a plane, I want it to be in one where the pilot has to try hard to screw things up. That means an Otter. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #19 May 18, 2005 From the initial post: QuoteBE FAIR all else being equal, climb rate room cost etc. I'm guessing his "etc" would have included stall characteristics. Which would you prefer? An otter with a side door or an otter with a nice big tailgate that didn't do anything to change any of the plane's other dynamics? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #20 May 18, 2005 QuoteAN72 I dont remember the AN72 to have a painted red line...Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites adamsr 0 #21 May 18, 2005 i went for depends on the dive, i dont have many tailgate extis (only about 15 out of 220 total) and find it hard to launch stuff from a tailgate. i expect this would get easier with practice though. but for unlinked exits there's nothing like just running out the back of a plane Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #22 May 18, 2005 Quoteand find it hard to launch stuff from a tailgate Its actually pretty easy to launch chuncks out of tailgates. 6 and 8 way clusters are fairly straighforward, as you said, once you know how to.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #23 May 18, 2005 I looooove a tailgate. The only one I've jumped is the Crosskeys Skyvan, when it was down at SoBe in '04 and then afterward when I've been regular at Sebastian. But it's in NJ now... That's not to say I don't really enjoy a side door. Otters and Caravans are the other planes I've jumped (and some long-ago 182s), and I love them too. There's something really really cool about hanging outside alongside an airplane like that with the wind massaging you before you freefall... I haven't been in this long enough to get picky yet. I hope to not ever get picky even as I stay in it for a long time. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites grue 1 #24 May 18, 2005 What's this painted red line stuff?cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #25 May 18, 2005 Casa's and Skyvan's will have a large painted line accross the center of the aircraft. There's a big sign painted on the wall that says "No more than XXX jumpers aft of this line". If you put too many jumpers aft of the red line (say, at exit time...) the aircraft stalls. What does stall mean? The plane stops flying. literally. The plane suddenly tips nose high, which causes all the occupants to fall out the back door. The plane then slowly starts to pivot downwards, going into a steep dive - coliding with the jumpers who just fell out the back, until it gains enough airspeed to level out. Not cool. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
mr2mk1g 10 #17 May 18, 2005 All else equal I'd take the tailgate over the side door. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #18 May 18, 2005 The fact that it's exceedingly dificult for jumpers to stall an otter, combined with the brutally strong tail, STOL, and fixed gear make it an ideal jumpship. Every other plane out there has significantly more risk: King air: risk of gear up landing, tail strike. Caravan: tail strike, stall characteristics PAC: tail strike, stall characteristics SkyVan: stall characteristics (the painted red line) CASA: stall characteristics (the painted red line) Some of these (like the risk of gear up landings) are concerns only to insurance companies and plane owners. Others (like the stall characteristics on jumprun, or a tailstrike on exit) need to be at the forefront of jumpers minds on every skydive. If I'm going to spend 5 hours each weekend flying in a plane, I want it to be in one where the pilot has to try hard to screw things up. That means an Otter. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #19 May 18, 2005 From the initial post: QuoteBE FAIR all else being equal, climb rate room cost etc. I'm guessing his "etc" would have included stall characteristics. Which would you prefer? An otter with a side door or an otter with a nice big tailgate that didn't do anything to change any of the plane's other dynamics? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #20 May 18, 2005 QuoteAN72 I dont remember the AN72 to have a painted red line...Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adamsr 0 #21 May 18, 2005 i went for depends on the dive, i dont have many tailgate extis (only about 15 out of 220 total) and find it hard to launch stuff from a tailgate. i expect this would get easier with practice though. but for unlinked exits there's nothing like just running out the back of a plane Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #22 May 18, 2005 Quoteand find it hard to launch stuff from a tailgate Its actually pretty easy to launch chuncks out of tailgates. 6 and 8 way clusters are fairly straighforward, as you said, once you know how to.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #23 May 18, 2005 I looooove a tailgate. The only one I've jumped is the Crosskeys Skyvan, when it was down at SoBe in '04 and then afterward when I've been regular at Sebastian. But it's in NJ now... That's not to say I don't really enjoy a side door. Otters and Caravans are the other planes I've jumped (and some long-ago 182s), and I love them too. There's something really really cool about hanging outside alongside an airplane like that with the wind massaging you before you freefall... I haven't been in this long enough to get picky yet. I hope to not ever get picky even as I stay in it for a long time. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites grue 1 #24 May 18, 2005 What's this painted red line stuff?cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #25 May 18, 2005 Casa's and Skyvan's will have a large painted line accross the center of the aircraft. There's a big sign painted on the wall that says "No more than XXX jumpers aft of this line". If you put too many jumpers aft of the red line (say, at exit time...) the aircraft stalls. What does stall mean? The plane stops flying. literally. The plane suddenly tips nose high, which causes all the occupants to fall out the back door. The plane then slowly starts to pivot downwards, going into a steep dive - coliding with the jumpers who just fell out the back, until it gains enough airspeed to level out. Not cool. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Remster 30 #22 May 18, 2005 Quoteand find it hard to launch stuff from a tailgate Its actually pretty easy to launch chuncks out of tailgates. 6 and 8 way clusters are fairly straighforward, as you said, once you know how to.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #23 May 18, 2005 I looooove a tailgate. The only one I've jumped is the Crosskeys Skyvan, when it was down at SoBe in '04 and then afterward when I've been regular at Sebastian. But it's in NJ now... That's not to say I don't really enjoy a side door. Otters and Caravans are the other planes I've jumped (and some long-ago 182s), and I love them too. There's something really really cool about hanging outside alongside an airplane like that with the wind massaging you before you freefall... I haven't been in this long enough to get picky yet. I hope to not ever get picky even as I stay in it for a long time. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #24 May 18, 2005 What's this painted red line stuff?cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #25 May 18, 2005 Casa's and Skyvan's will have a large painted line accross the center of the aircraft. There's a big sign painted on the wall that says "No more than XXX jumpers aft of this line". If you put too many jumpers aft of the red line (say, at exit time...) the aircraft stalls. What does stall mean? The plane stops flying. literally. The plane suddenly tips nose high, which causes all the occupants to fall out the back door. The plane then slowly starts to pivot downwards, going into a steep dive - coliding with the jumpers who just fell out the back, until it gains enough airspeed to level out. Not cool. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
