diverdriver 7 #1 May 24, 2005 I don't see anything listed that makes me believe this was a jump plane. Did anyone at the DZ see the crash? From the FAA website: IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 7361Y Make/Model: C182 Description: 182, Skylane Date: 05/21/2005 Time: 1330 Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Serious Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Destroyed LOCATION City: VANDALIA State: IL Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT ON TAKEOFF, MADE A HARD LEFT TURN, STALLED AND CRASHED INTO A FIELD, VANDALIA, IL INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 1 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: CLEAR CLOUDS BELOW 12000 VIS 10SM WINDS 7KTS OTHER DATA Departed: VANDALIA, IL Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: GREENVILLE, IL Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing: N Last Radio Cont: UNICOM Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: SPRINGFIELD, IL (GL19) Entry date: 05/23/2005Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djmarvin 2 #2 May 25, 2005 It was not a jump plane. Our Caravan was their with our pilot. He brought back some pictures of the crash. DJ Marvin AFF I/E, Coach/E, USPA/UPT Tandem I/E http://www.theratingscenter.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peek 21 #3 May 25, 2005 Local pilot about 65 years old, C182 owned by him. A guy we all knew, more or less. Low airspeed and very steep bank to the left right after takeoff, something others had said he frequently did. Not enough to sustain lift (this time). Impacted left side then flat. A number of us were there within about 3-4 minutes. It was strangely silent. We thought we were going to find a corpse it was damaged so badly. The pilot was concious but not coherent. Airlifted out. Broken back, and it is not yet known if there will be paralysis. Please folks, don't do this kind of thing to your friends. (Use your imaginations to draw a parallel to a hook turn). Don't let them find you like this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkiD_PL8 0 #4 May 25, 2005 Plane crash to hook turns. Gotta love DZ.com. Greenie in training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chapsta 0 #5 May 25, 2005 He's making a good point! Just listen. ChapsCarpe diem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
larsrulz 0 #6 May 25, 2005 QuoteHe's making a good point! Just listen. Some people have this problem of not listening and just talking. Gary pretty much covered the important details. There are a few more, but essentially it was a pilot-error induced crash. I got a strong urge to fly, but I got no where to fly to. -PF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #7 May 25, 2005 QuoteQuote Gary pretty much covered the important details. There are a few more, but essentially it was a pilot-error induced crash. This almost reminded me of the plane crash that killed Sammy, the owner of Sammy's Touch N Go restaurant at the Pell City airport a few years ago... He was doing what he liked to do, much to the chagrin of his friends and family... had this yellow one-seater that he liked to do stunt moves with, pulling straight up til near the stall point, then turning back to earth and pulling up a few hundred feet off the ground... well... at the stall point that fateful day, his engine quit. Nothing he could do but close his eyes and brace for impact. Died instantly. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMO 0 #8 May 25, 2005 This very unfortunate event made us all sit up and take note of our DZ’s preparedness regarding aircraft accidents. Think about it, do you have a plan in place if there is an aircraft accident at your airport? We have a plan outlined for dealing with injured skydivers that allows our staff to respond quickly and efficiently, luckily this plan also worked very well for handling the aircraft accident. We are now considering how this incident was handled and how we can better act in the future. Just like we regularly review our skydiving emergency procedures it is important for skydivers to review medical and aircraft emergency procedures. As an active skydiver I found this to be a very sobering experience. Luckily the crash only involved a single person who we were able to quickly help. Had this been our Cessna 182 it would have been five people or worse had it been the Caravan up to sixteen people. I can tell you many resources were used to help rescue the pilot. Had there been multiple individuals injured it would have taken a great deal more effort for every one to have acted as effectively. Please learn from our experience and review the procedures at your airport. In the end it could make all the difference in saving the life of an injured pilot or skydiver. Keep the skies safe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diverdriver 7 #9 May 26, 2005 QuotePlane crash to hook turns. Gotta love DZ.com. You have 60 jumps and you are lecturing? BTFU.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diverdriver 7 #10 May 26, 2005 Very nice post. Unfortunately I think many DZ everywhere do not have a plan. And they sure as heck don't practice it. I actually wish that more DZs that have had jump plane accidents would right about how they reacted and what they learned from the experience. But sadly many of them just want the memory to go away and that knowledge is never passed on. QuoteThis very unfortunate event made us all sit up and take note of our DZ’s preparedness regarding aircraft accidents. Think about it, do you have a plan in place if there is an aircraft accident at your airport? We have a plan outlined for dealing with injured skydivers that allows our staff to respond quickly and efficiently, luckily this plan also worked very well for handling the aircraft accident. We are now considering how this incident was handled and how we can better act in the future. Just like we regularly review our skydiving emergency procedures it is important for skydivers to review medical and aircraft emergency procedures. As an active skydiver I found this to be a very sobering experience. Luckily the crash only involved a single person who we were able to quickly help. Had this been our Cessna 182 it would have been five people or worse had it been the Caravan up to sixteen people. I can tell you many resources were used to help rescue the pilot. Had there been multiple individuals injured it would have taken a great deal more effort for every one to have acted as effectively. Please learn from our experience and review the procedures at your airport. In the end it could make all the difference in saving the life of an injured pilot or skydiver. Keep the skies safe.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkiD_PL8 0 #11 May 26, 2005 QuoteQuotePlane crash to hook turns. Gotta love DZ.com. You have 60 jumps and you are lecturing? BTFU. That was lecturing? I just found it funny that it was compared. That happens to be the DZ I was trained at and I know gary so chill out. Seems the only one lecturing is you. Greenie in training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diverdriver 7 #12 May 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuotePlane crash to hook turns. Gotta love DZ.com. You have 60 jumps and you are lecturing? BTFU. That was lecturing? I just found it funny that it was compared. That happens to be the DZ I was trained at and I know gary so chill out. Seems the only one lecturing is you. Your flip remark "Plane crash to hook turns. Gotta love DZ.com." is lecturing. It's also a nice one liner (like mine was) that served zero purpose other than boosting your post numbers. I think we need to go back to the unwritten rule talked about years ago: you can't make more posts than you have jumps. That would end a lot of useless junk here. edit: and God knows I've posted a lot of useless junk.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #13 May 26, 2005 QuoteI think we need to go back to the unwritten rule talked about years ago: you can't make more posts than you have jumps. That would end a lot of useless junk here. edit: and God knows I've posted a lot of useless junk. I have a lot more QUESTIONS than I have jumps... can I please still post them? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EvilLurker 2 #14 May 26, 2005 QuoteI think we need to go back to the unwritten rule talked about years ago: you can't make more posts than you have jumps. I guess we'll hear from you again in about 35 years, then? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diverdriver 7 #15 May 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteI think we need to go back to the unwritten rule talked about years ago: you can't make more posts than you have jumps. I guess we'll hear from you again in about 35 years, then? Don't count on it. I'm the thorn in the side that you just can't reach. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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SkydiveMO 0 #8 May 25, 2005 This very unfortunate event made us all sit up and take note of our DZ’s preparedness regarding aircraft accidents. Think about it, do you have a plan in place if there is an aircraft accident at your airport? We have a plan outlined for dealing with injured skydivers that allows our staff to respond quickly and efficiently, luckily this plan also worked very well for handling the aircraft accident. We are now considering how this incident was handled and how we can better act in the future. Just like we regularly review our skydiving emergency procedures it is important for skydivers to review medical and aircraft emergency procedures. As an active skydiver I found this to be a very sobering experience. Luckily the crash only involved a single person who we were able to quickly help. Had this been our Cessna 182 it would have been five people or worse had it been the Caravan up to sixteen people. I can tell you many resources were used to help rescue the pilot. Had there been multiple individuals injured it would have taken a great deal more effort for every one to have acted as effectively. Please learn from our experience and review the procedures at your airport. In the end it could make all the difference in saving the life of an injured pilot or skydiver. Keep the skies safe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #9 May 26, 2005 QuotePlane crash to hook turns. Gotta love DZ.com. You have 60 jumps and you are lecturing? BTFU.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #10 May 26, 2005 Very nice post. Unfortunately I think many DZ everywhere do not have a plan. And they sure as heck don't practice it. I actually wish that more DZs that have had jump plane accidents would right about how they reacted and what they learned from the experience. But sadly many of them just want the memory to go away and that knowledge is never passed on. QuoteThis very unfortunate event made us all sit up and take note of our DZ’s preparedness regarding aircraft accidents. Think about it, do you have a plan in place if there is an aircraft accident at your airport? We have a plan outlined for dealing with injured skydivers that allows our staff to respond quickly and efficiently, luckily this plan also worked very well for handling the aircraft accident. We are now considering how this incident was handled and how we can better act in the future. Just like we regularly review our skydiving emergency procedures it is important for skydivers to review medical and aircraft emergency procedures. As an active skydiver I found this to be a very sobering experience. Luckily the crash only involved a single person who we were able to quickly help. Had this been our Cessna 182 it would have been five people or worse had it been the Caravan up to sixteen people. I can tell you many resources were used to help rescue the pilot. Had there been multiple individuals injured it would have taken a great deal more effort for every one to have acted as effectively. Please learn from our experience and review the procedures at your airport. In the end it could make all the difference in saving the life of an injured pilot or skydiver. Keep the skies safe.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkiD_PL8 0 #11 May 26, 2005 QuoteQuotePlane crash to hook turns. Gotta love DZ.com. You have 60 jumps and you are lecturing? BTFU. That was lecturing? I just found it funny that it was compared. That happens to be the DZ I was trained at and I know gary so chill out. Seems the only one lecturing is you. Greenie in training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #12 May 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuotePlane crash to hook turns. Gotta love DZ.com. You have 60 jumps and you are lecturing? BTFU. That was lecturing? I just found it funny that it was compared. That happens to be the DZ I was trained at and I know gary so chill out. Seems the only one lecturing is you. Your flip remark "Plane crash to hook turns. Gotta love DZ.com." is lecturing. It's also a nice one liner (like mine was) that served zero purpose other than boosting your post numbers. I think we need to go back to the unwritten rule talked about years ago: you can't make more posts than you have jumps. That would end a lot of useless junk here. edit: and God knows I've posted a lot of useless junk.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #13 May 26, 2005 QuoteI think we need to go back to the unwritten rule talked about years ago: you can't make more posts than you have jumps. That would end a lot of useless junk here. edit: and God knows I've posted a lot of useless junk. I have a lot more QUESTIONS than I have jumps... can I please still post them? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EvilLurker 2 #14 May 26, 2005 QuoteI think we need to go back to the unwritten rule talked about years ago: you can't make more posts than you have jumps. I guess we'll hear from you again in about 35 years, then? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #15 May 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteI think we need to go back to the unwritten rule talked about years ago: you can't make more posts than you have jumps. I guess we'll hear from you again in about 35 years, then? Don't count on it. I'm the thorn in the side that you just can't reach. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
