pccoder 0 #76 February 19, 2004 To clear things up... YES I jump with a Cypres. PcCoder.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
velo90 0 #77 February 19, 2004 QuoteApparently it was an old one without the EMI shielding They had enough time to fix the problem. Jan 1998 Sleeve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kurt 0 #78 February 19, 2004 Why? the had more then one miss fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #79 February 19, 2004 QuoteWhy? the had more then one miss fire Lets come down..... I think pccoder recognises he spoke a bit quickly and admited out of ignorance. Lets not turn this thread into a newbie (no offence meant with that term Fact is, I hope he has learned from the thread that AADs, regardless of who made then, are not infallable peices of gear. You are adding a level of complexity to your system, and should expect more failure modes.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #80 February 19, 2004 QuoteWorld Team Thailand had a misfire at 30 meters: Rumor has it that that unit had also not been in for its 4 year and was over due."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #81 February 19, 2004 QuoteAnd, if Cypres misfires occur that often (which I am certain they don't) than I should be considering whether or not I stay in this sport. Im really not trying to slam you. But you would quit if you could not have an AAD?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #82 February 19, 2004 QuoteDo you have an AAD at all? Haven't they all had misfires? I can't think of a true CYPRES misfire. I know of some that did not work. But they were due to lack of maintenance, or bad batteries. I don't consider a low main pull a "misfire"...You did not deploy your main at an altitude that it was designed for you to be opening at. However this unit seem to have had one low main pull fire, one rigger caused error, and now a misfire at 3 grand. It all just goes to show why I say never be the first kid on the block with the new toy. It still has bugs, riggers don't know how to handle them yet, and they have not proven its reliability. I don't want to pay 1,000.00 to jump a device that is unproven, and could kill me."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
schwede 0 #83 February 19, 2004 Pccoder got it from me, I believe. As I have heard that it was printed in the Feb Issue of Skydiving magazine... Unfortunately I just recieved the Jan Issue yesterday som I cant confirm that story.. Can somebody else? I myself have used a Cypres since 1991 and mine went out last September (12 years and 3 months) and now looking in to the market again and competition is always good thats why I'll never turn anything down until it is proven. It is interesting to find Vigil on the market but perhaps they have made their entrance a little bit too early as they obviuosly only have Beta units to sell. How is Astra doing? I think there is only one or two using them in Sweden, Germany of course is Cypres. Have anyone read about the Tscheck unit MAPS???Schwede "Das Leben ist schön, nicht immer aber immer öfter" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,108 #84 February 19, 2004 >The Cypres will read the pressure on power up as the ground level. Not if you're climbing fast. If it reads a rapid increase in pressure during calibration it will fail to initialize; it will assume an error in the pressure sensor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pccoder 0 #85 February 19, 2004 Thanks for getting my back PcCoder.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #86 February 19, 2004 How fast of a climb rate is needed? Otter fast? Mullins King Air fast?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #87 February 19, 2004 QuoteHowever this unit seem to have had one low main pull fire, one rigger caused error, and now a misfire at 3 grand. QuoteI can't think of a true CYPRES misfire. I can. It was at Perris, probably 3 years ago. I was on the skydive and witnessed the Cypres activate around 5 grand. Do a search here on dz.com if you want. And yes, I have/had a Cypres, (lost in the fire) but am getting a Vigil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #88 February 19, 2004 QuoteI can. It was at Perris, probably 3 years ago. I was on the skydive and witnessed the Cypres activate around 5 grand. Any other issues such as it being set wrong? Bad Batteries? Missing its checks? What was it blamed on? Quote but am getting a Vigil Are you paying retail for it? If so why a Vigil, and not a CYPRES? Which BTW the CYPRES 2 has already had some minor issues."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #89 February 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteI can. It was at Perris, probably 3 years ago. I was on the skydive and witnessed the Cypres activate around 5 grand. Any other issues such as it being set wrong? Bad Batteries? Missing its checks? What was it blamed on? Quote but am getting a Vigil Are you paying retail for it? If so why a Vigil, and not a CYPRES? Which BTW the CYPRES 2 has already had some minor issues. The unit was sent back to AirTec and they could not figure it out. It was new and they replaced the unit at no charge. My point is that shit can happen regardless of the brand of electro-mechanical device. I'm going with Vigil because of the same features as a Cypres, and because it has some additional features as well. Even though it was torched in the fire, my Cypres actually started to calibrate when we pushed the button to activate it. It's at AirTec now and if they send it back certified, I'll put it in another rig when I get one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #90 February 19, 2004 QuoteMy point is that shit can happen regardless of the brand of electro-mechanical device Would you not agree that new products often have "new" issues? I personally will not the same price for a product that is new and has not been through "field trials". This is not just about AAD's or even CYPRES vs VIGIL....Its about new product sometimes not living up to the hype...Or even being dangerous. The ASTRA came out and promissed all this hype, and it never really lived up to it. The Neptune had some big issues. The issues with the Ravens blowing up, and the BS line attachment point fix. Novas...well do I have to go there? Original Crossfires. All I am saying is that I am not going to buy new products till they have been proven. You are an adult, and can make your own choice. However, in the last 10 years I have seen folks rush out to get the newest latest toys...Some of them are dead due to them. Many more were just disappointed. Thanks for being my beta test guy. I hope it does not kill you."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #91 February 19, 2004 QuoteThanks for being my beta test guy. I hope it does not kill you. So are you implying that if I do not die from Vigil use in the next few years you'll buy one? Or are you saying we are all idiots for using new products? Your tone reflects the latter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #92 February 19, 2004 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for being my beta test guy. I hope it does not kill you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So are you implying that if I do not die from Vigil use in the next few years you'll buy one? Or are you saying we are all idiots for using new products? Your tone reflects the latter I have seen enough folks get killed rushing out to buy the new toy as soon as it comes on the market (Nova, Micro Raven-M, Crossfire1). I have seen many others just get big dissapointments (Neptune, ASTRA). That *I WILL NOT* be the first on the block with a new toy. If you and all the other guys just *Have* to have the new toy..thats fine. Some ideas workout fine (3 rings...even though they even had issues) And after about two years if you guys are still alive...Then I would consider the Vigil..Or ANY new product safe enough for me to buy. So my tone is....If in two years you guys are not dead cause of it, or really disappointed with it..Then I might buy one. Anyone still buying ASTRAS? AND I think its foolish to run out and buy the new unproven toys. AND I really hope you are not the first to get killed from it if it is dangerous and kills folks. After the last guy died from a Nova...I bet his family didn't feel better when Glide Path grounded them...then said they were fine, and closed their doors. The simple fact is you don't know enough about new products to know if in "real world" use it is safe. No one does. Simple as that...Maybe Im just a guy that does not like to push the limits and risk my life more than needed. And I think jumping unproven products is risking your life more than needed. What the hell would I know? I have only been doing this 10 years, and seen people die due to having the new toys. For the record, I did test jumps for two different manufactorers. In those cases..I didn't pay for the equipment, and I KNEW I was a test jumper and all hell could break lose. Like I said what do I know...Have fun, and I really hope if there are issues that you are not one of the ones to die or be dissapointed."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #93 February 19, 2004 PCCODER...would you not jump with out a cypres? if you wont...then you should definately decide if this is the sport for you... Also Ron...I think we all get your opinion on new things around here...do we have to hear it again for the 40th time now??? It gets a tad repetative. I also will be getting a Vigil when I have the money...for more than a couple of reasons. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pccoder 0 #94 February 19, 2004 QuotePCCODER...would you not jump with out a cypres? if you wont...then you should definately decide if this is the sport for you... Well, since I came into this sport, Cypes has been around, so I don't know of jumping without one. Therefore, as it DOES exist and I DO use it... hard to say if I had ever had to jump in a time where it was otherwise. It's a great security blanket for the time I decide to have a seizure or pass out or who knows. PcCoder.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #95 February 19, 2004 Well the reason I ask is what will you do when you need to send it in for a 4yr check? are you going to stop jumping for that time? or will you jump without it? I'm not flaming just curious as to your thought process. I dont jump an AAD and not because I am opposed to them... Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #96 February 20, 2004 Quote>supposedly the cypres is capable of recognizing the ascent and not arming. But I'm not a cypres expert by any means. The Cypres will read the pressure on power up as the ground level. Who ever told you it can reconize accent is wrong. Actually he is kinda right, when Rws did the simulated cypress fire for the skyhook, they tried turning the unit on while climbing and it wouldnt turn on. They had to level out the plane and not climb or decend, it actually took more than one time to turn it on because of changing altitudes. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #97 February 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteApparently it was an old one without the EMI shielding They had enough time to fix the problem. Jan 1998 Sleeve That unit obviously hasnt been in for its 4 year, because Airtec has fixed all units that have been sent in, since the unit was pre 98 how could this be? I thinks some rigger, or the owner of the unit might be his own rigger, might not be following the rules. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #98 February 20, 2004 But do they know that even with that amount of shielding that it could protect it from that huge amount of EM Radiation?? Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pccoder 0 #99 February 20, 2004 How long does it take for the Cypes to get back from the 4 yr check? I don't own my own gear yet, still renting, but when I am ready to purchase and that 4 yr comes around I assume I will probably own my second rig too, so hopefully that window of time when one rig is down will be covered by the second one being available. I hope. PcCoder.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #100 February 20, 2004 QuoteHow long does it take for the Cypes to get back from the 4 yr check? Depends really. But mine was sent in on... (looks at logbook) the 15th of December and I don't have it back yet. I contacted SSK about a month ago and they say it had been sent to Airtec. It's actually pretty frustrating when you consider that the lifespan of the product is fixed at 12yr+3mo. This one service is getting up on 2% of the total life of the product. I've made a handful of jumps since it's been in (winter in the midwest) but it doesn't really bother me not having it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
