When you need to get a new rig

[Darius11 12]

I know this sounds stupid but I just want to make sure I know all the options.

I need to get a new Rig. My J6 with every thing in it I can probably get 3000-3500 for it with it's canopies and cypres.

Is my only options buying a new gear waiting for it to get ready and then selling the one I have? Witch I can't because I don't have 6K to fork over.

So that makes my only option selling my gear ordering a new gear and waiting for 14 weeks.
I really don’t want to miss a season of jumping.

Is there any other option out there?

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[katzurki 0]

1. Keep it for the season, sell when season is over.

Out of curiosity, why do you need an all-new set of gear? Won't a used canopy do? Get a new rig, get used canopies thus cutting on wait as some container manufacturers offer rush service at reasonable prices (say 4 weeks).

[Darius11 12]

All I need is a new canopy, But I assumed that my J-6 would work with a 230 (it has a 260 in it now).

I found out later that it will not fit a 230 the smallest it will go is 250. After I get my 230 if I want to go down to a 200 guess what new fucking gear again.

I don’t know maybe I am missing something.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[katzurki 0]

Yes, I see. So can't you just sell your current set-up, purchase used canopy / reserve, order new container? Unless it's a Vector, they take significantly less than 14 weeks to produce
Edit: Er.. I am particularly slow tonight. So you _don't_ want to get an all-new container because when you work it down to sub-200 canopies, you'll have to change it again?

[Darius11 12]

No I need to get every thing new because i have no other choice really.
Unless I can find a used rig that has a 230 in it.
It is very hard to find.
I already have 2 people who want my rig because it is so hard for bigger guys to find gear. Especially when you first start out.

I really don’t care about new. I don’t care about the color. If I could swap my rig with someone who has a similar but smaller container I would do it.


someone just pmed me about a deposit idea that sounds like a good idea.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Pawel 0]

Order your new rig Buy it from a DZ that offers financing. Once rig arrives sell yours get 3k then pay off remaining amount over time with the DZ.

Just an Idea..

[skyyhi 0]

Hey, doesn't Mirage offer financing? Go that route. . .get a new container, then downsize after your container arrives. . .

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[sundevil777 102]

You can have a pad sewn in to take up some of the extra volume.

Of course you don't want any snag points, and many would only want the mfg or another very experienced master rigger to do it. Give Sunpath a call and see what they say. Even if they are not interested to do it, it definitely can be done.

But actually, I think your Jav might be much more adaptable to smaller canopies than you have been told, even without a pad.

You might try to put someone's smaller canopy in your container. You could use your D-bag or theirs to check it out.

If you are going for a new container, you might be able to negotiate a price for your old rig at the same time you order a new one, the bigger dealers are probably more likely to be willing to do this.

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[Amazon 7]

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All I need is a new canopy, But I assumed that my J-6 would work with a 230 (it has a 260 in it now).

I found out later that it will not fit a 230 the smallest it will go is 250. After I get my 230 if I want to go down to a 200 guess what new fucking gear again.

In my old Infinity... I had it built for a 230 to 260... I had a 260 Tri in it.. a 230 SR-71... down to a Lotus 190 and a Samurai 190.. I always used the same bag that was built for the 230... It had canopies up to 305 sq ft... BASE and an old 1980's Jetstream 7 cell ... most of it... was just getting stuff into the bag... and making a tighter closing loop when I went with the smaller canopy.

[Darius11 12]

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All I need is a new canopy, But I assumed that my J-6 would work with a 230 (it has a 260 in it now).

I found out later that it will not fit a 230 the smallest it will go is 250. After I get my 230 if I want to go down to a 200 guess what new fucking gear again.

In my old Infinity... I had it built for a 230 to 260... I had a 260 Tri in it.. a 230 SR-71... down to a Lotus 190 and a Samurai 190.. I always used the same bag that was built for the 230... It had canopies up to 305 sq ft... BASE and an old 1980's Jetstream 7 cell ... most of it... was just getting stuff into the bag... and making a tighter closing loop when I went with the smaller canopy.

That’s was exactly what I thought I could do, but my rigger and sunpath has told me no I need a smaller container.


Thank you for replaying I have received a few PMs that might help me out.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Skyflyer1 0]

With the club rigs we've put F-111 fury 220s into J7s. No problem, everything stayed closed. So I think a ZP 230 into J6 really is a non issue. Might have to shorten the closing loop slightly, but everything should be kosher. Sunpath even says on the website: Can fit up to a zp 260 into a J6, well a 260 MAX means a 230 comfortably and still snug. Might as well give it a try and if it doesnt then find another used container to go with it.

Jonathan

[Darius11 12]

I am so lost. My rigger and the manufacturer have said no way. But everyone else says it should not be a problem.


I think i will have to call PD and demo a 230 to find out.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[GQ_jumper 4]

mirage offers financing, many dealers do also. paraservice will let you put a deposit down and pay the remainder upon completion of the rig, i got my mirage pilot and smart all brand new for i think around 3700.

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[DrewEckhardt 0]

A friend had no problems putting a dacron lined 222 square foot F111 seven cell in my J7. You definately want to try putting a 230 in your J6 before declaring it won't fit.

As long as you buy from private parties and are patient you can find a good container, main, and reserve in any size you want for $300 - $350 a piece. I paid $700 for my J7 + Raven III. Sold my Batwing 134 for $300 or $350. My memory is bad although I think I got $700 for my old Raven II and EOS built for a turbo Z 205.

You won't get that sort of deal on popular new designs, although older in-trim ZP canopies still fly and land as well as they did 5-10 years ago.

You also won't find odd sized harnesses, although a used rig plus a new harness ($400?) is a lot cheaper than a brand new one.

[scottbre 0]

While I wouldn't recommend it, I am currently jumping gear that originally had a 220 in it, with a 150 spectre in it now. It works, the openings are just a bit more unpleasant than I would like. I jumped a 170 in the rig for a long time with no problems at all, I can't imagine that your downsize would require you to get new gear since it's not even as big of a downsize as when I went from a 220 to a 170.

But I'm just a jumper who's done it, not a gear company that wants to sell you new gear. Plus I make no claims as to how safe not getting new gear is, just relaying my experience.

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[Ron 10]

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I am so lost. My rigger and the manufacturer have said no way. But everyone else says it should not be a problem

Well, two things:

1. Your rigger and the manufacturer have to follow the law, Joe-bob skydiver does not.

2. Some people don't know, or don't know the whole story. I know a guy that ordered a new container, and his canopy would not fit in it right. He got all pissed at the company...When he ordered the container it was going to be tight for a 120 main, but he ordered it anyway. Well he had a Velo 120 that packs closer to a 135 than a 120. Amazon said she put a 190 in a rig...But it was an airlocked 190 that packs bigger than a normal 190.

You *can* do all kinds of things. Does not make the smart, or unsafe. But assume that the rigger and Manufacturer will give you situations they KNOW will be OK. Joe-Bob will not.

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[aftermid 0]

Patiently lurk DZ.com classifieds! I got a wings contain, reserve, triatholon150 main, and cypress with 4 years left for $1,500. All it needed was a new PC. Everything in great shape! Why buy something new that you'll be downsizing again so soon?

[Amazon 7]

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Amazon said she put a 190 in a rig...But it was an airlocked 190 that packs bigger than a normal 190.

I also demoed a few other canopys... in the I-68 Infinity. I put in a Hornet 190.... and a Sabre2 210 and a Sabre2 190 in there. I always used my same bag that came with the rig. With the 190's in there( easy to pack) they were not rock solid but by using a really small closing loop the closing pin was tight.. the rig was not rock hard but it was safe. I did have the Lotus 190 in there for about 100 jumps.. and the Samurai 190 was in there for about 35 jumps until Infinity 2.0 was completed. Infinity 2.0 with the Samurai 190 is very rock hard once it gets in the bag.. and closing it is fairly tight. I use a double closing loop on it as a safety to prevent a premature when I am doing speed skydives.

[Ron 10]

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I also demoed a few other canopys... in the I-68 Infinity. I put in a Hornet 190.... and a Sabre2 210 and a Sabre2 190 in there.

OK, but my point was not to start anything, but to point out that while reqular jumpers *can* do something, it does not mean it is a good idea. And that riggers and manufacturers have a responsibility to not recomend potentially unsafe set ups.

A reqular jumper can tell a person its OK to deploy at 1500 feet...And in some cases it is, and might even be safer, than a higher pull. However, an S&TA or Instructor will not say so.

Knowing this he will have a better understanding of why some jumpers are telling him he will be fine, when people who have a much larger stake in his saftey are telling him he will not.

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