Belgian_Skygirl 0 #26 August 10, 2005 Guys, don't shoot me, but I wonder... I don't have lots of experience yet, so I don't know if my remark is at place... but jumping in a group with less than 50 jumps... if you still have to learn a lot... I don' t know... it is just a thought... nothing more and nothing less.------------------------------------------------- No dive, like skydive... wanna bet on it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #27 August 10, 2005 Eric, there is no question on whether or not you did the right or wrong thing... You carried out "PLAN B" as we had discussed it prior to getting on the plane... We organized the jump so that there was no gray area... We planned the jump, (plan A and plan B), and jumped the plan... We both saw you, I knew where both of you were since I was the highest, and we all were safe QuoteQuote**Even if you only tracked 200 feet and threw out before the camera flyer, it would be a safe move.** I was involved a similar situation this past weekend(nothing like the high-speed pass you mentioned. On two separate jumps I fell considerably faster than my group members and watched them from below. The plan was for me to break @ 6K if we were separated and track in South, I was the only one going in this direction per the plan. When I was @ 6K on the first jump I could see the other 2 members of my group 200ft above me with no hope of them catching back up, or me "floating" back, so I tracked as far as I could 5sec or so, verified my space, and rode it out to 4K when I looked above and pulled. Sky was clear from what I could see, but, I still replay both of those jumps and was curious about what was the "proper" thing to to do. The second jump I noticed that I wasn't going to regroup @ 8K so I tracked even longer. I was disappointed in myself @ the time for not following the plan to break @ 6K and track like a "Mutha". Looking back, I'm pretty sure I did the right thing given the situation. A lot of good info here, but I'll still keep asking to make sure I protect others and not just myself. Thoughts? FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #28 August 10, 2005 QuoteGuys, don't shoot me, but I wonder... I don't have lots of experience yet, so I don't know if my remark is at place... but jumping in a group with less than 50 jumps... if you still have to learn a lot... I don' t know... it is just a thought... nothing more and nothing less. As long as everyone knows the plan, and you have a backup for those cases where things are NOT going to go the way you want, what's the problem? You have to learn to work with people at some point, how many jumps do you recommend? I think its better to work with people in groups on your belly at 50 jumps than to be head down at 50 jumps solo like alot of people do IMO. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #29 August 10, 2005 QuoteQuoteGuys, don't shoot me, but I wonder... I don't have lots of experience yet, so I don't know if my remark is at place... but jumping in a group with less than 50 jumps... if you still have to learn a lot... I don' t know... it is just a thought... nothing more and nothing less. As long as everyone knows the plan, and you have a backup for those cases where things are NOT going to go the way you want, what's the problem? You have to learn to work with people at some point, how many jumps do you recommend? I think its better to work with people in groups on your belly at 50 jumps than to be head down at 50 jumps solo like alot of people do IMO. I agree that working with others is better training than doing lots of solos, but it seems to me that part of the problem in this situation was the collection of low-timers on the jump. I've primarily stuck to modest-sized groups (generally 2-6 jumpers) and the lower the experience level on the jump, generally the smaller I try to keep the group. I know it took me a lot of jumps to develop the level of awareness, confidence, and comfort to keep track of a lot of people in the sky, especially when things don't go according to plan. I'm still not all that comfortable doing it for more than 4 or 5 others, so for the most part, I keep my jumps that small. For low-timers, keeping track of other low-timers who may also lack that awareness just adds a level of complexity and risk to the equation that doesn't seem to be balanced by the experienced gained from jumping with others. You can learn an awful lot on a two or three way, and keeping track of one or two other people is pretty easy, even if one goes low and one floats."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
