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QuoteI really don't know anything about that nor will I reply to those allegations but I will tell you that a cancellation fee is a normal everyday thing for business to do. Not only skydiving but any other event that you book in advance.
alot of drop zones have a no refund policy. and there isnt anything wrong with it.
having a refund policy for if you cancell in advance is common also.
and i in no way think that is a scam.
but if somone is lied to and drive's 8 hours. "they should have done reserch but for some reason didnt." and they get there on sat and the weather is bad. so they decide they need to stay in a hotell so they dont make the drive again. then the weather is bad on sunday. do they get a refund then because they cant make the 8 hour trip again?
no, they dont, they got scamed into the drive, and the refund policy just happens to be there...
and those alligations are under investigation. so yes, they are just alligations. but there is proof on paper. the outcome will be not to far away.
QuoteHe claims to run the skydiving school yet no where on his website does he even MENTION teaching skydiving.
If, by some chance, he gets a Group membership, Ben and Cary cannot jump with ANY of the students otherwise he would be breaking some very serious BSR's about using non-rated instructors.
This, from my services page of Chutingstar's web site:
Relative Work Coaching with Video
Relative Work Coaching with Video is available for all levels of skydivers. Veteran competitive 4-way skydiver Mike Gruwell can help you complete the A-License proficiency card, learn a new belly-flying body position and improve your overall flying ability. $30 per jump plus your lift ticket.
Now, I know that isn't as complete as "running the school" as far as what's on my web site, but my site is mainly dedicated to the rigging portion of my business. And I do manage the instructor staff and run the coaching school.
Whether we are a group member DZ or not, we will follow the BSRs. There has never been a safety issue at ASC. Even if we end up not being a group member DZ, we will continue to follow the BSRs and will be recognized as a "sanctioned DZ."
Also, Chutingstar already has a group membership. It's just a matter of whether I will be allowed to keep it or if USPA wants me to continue as a group member. Ben/Cary never approached me about becoming a group member; they didn't even know I was group member until they saw the listing in Parachutist. This is something I sought on my own to further my own business and relationship with the USPA.
Mike
ChutingStar.com
QuoteIt is a shell game.
Chuting Star applied for its GM earlier this year. Around April or May it was granted.
Before that time all the students went thru ASC. ASC is a GM until whatever date was sent to them, probably Sept 2, 2005.
The purchase of the GM by Chuting Star was in anticipation that ASC would lose its GM status.
What Mike, Ben and Cary did not realize was that Chuting Star's GM status depends upon an affiliated GM DZ.
So now they are trying to retain Chuting Star's status as a GM.
According to Marks, a DZ at the Cedartown airport needs to be a USPA GM in order to operate. So you see Ben, Cary and Mike scrambling to retain Chuting Star's GM status or maybe they might be looking into moving to a different airport that would not require USPA GM status.
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I am the only one working to keep my group member status. I have no idea what Ben/Cary are doing as to USPA's decision for their drop zones and themselves.
I did know my group membership was based on ASC. My thoughts/arguments on that have been sent to the USPA Exec. Comm. We'll see where it goes from there.
Where do you get your information?...whatever...
Mike
ChutingStar.com
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i honestly dont remember any saftey issues there, so i wouldnt take that avenue. or bark up that tree.
but the moral issue has alot of clout.
mike, i hate it that you stay there, i really do.
but the moral issue has alot of clout.
mike, i hate it that you stay there, i really do.
QuoteBen/Cary never approached me about becoming a group member; they didn't even know I was group member until they saw the listing in Parachutist. This is something I sought on my own to further my own business and relationship with the USPA.
But you attached your membership to ASC's, which is owned by Ben and Cary. How could they not know?
Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.
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Quotewe will continue to follow the BSRs and will be recognized as a "sanctioned DZ."
Sanctioned by who?
QuoteQuotewe will continue to follow the BSRs and will be recognized as a "sanctioned DZ."
Sanctioned by who?
I think he is refering to the National Skydiving Association.
Its one of their fictional organizations that list all their fictional dz's.
Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.
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Quotei honestly dont remember any saftey issues there, so i wouldnt take that avenue. or bark up that tree.
(Opens can of worms) I know of at least one violation by one of the owners.
All student skydives must be completed by sunset.
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i dont ever remember seeing a stundent go up after dark.
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QuoteQuotei honestly dont remember any saftey issues there, so i wouldnt take that avenue. or bark up that tree.
(Opens can of worms) I know of at least one violation by one of the owners.
All student skydives must be completed by sunset.
And don't forget the day a load of tandems was taken up just after sunset... a tandem-master objected, but after being threatened with getting fired, he complied. (opening another can of worms)
"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban
QuoteQuotewe will continue to follow the BSRs and will be recognized as a "sanctioned DZ."
Sanctioned by who?
USPA.
ChutingStar.com
In your years as a skydiver, how many DZ's have you visited and/or worked at?
Okay, since you don't want to reply to Marks, then reply to me. We had 2 tandems jump a couple weeks ago, but they had originally scheduled for, what they thought was Tullahoma, now, ASC/SKYRIDE (not chutingstar) charged these 2 when they showed up at Tullahoma and NOT ASC/SKYRIDE. What part of this is okay business practices? Surely they would have canceled at ASC had they KNOWN and been TOLD by the scum that answer the phone that they were scheduling for ASC.
Are you telling my these 2 tandems are liers? These are not the only 2 that have scheduled for Tullahoma and charged through ASC.
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