shropshire 0 #1 August 31, 2005 Further to all of the Landing pattern threads.... Why dont DZs appear to teach anticollision rules (maybe they do but I wasn't listening). (1) On the right, in the right (2) When on a head-on course.... both should turn right (3) The pilot being overtaken has the right of way (4) On landing, the pilot in front has the right of way Most important - it is every pilots duty to avoid a collision, irrespective of the above rules!!!. It's not good lying in a hospital bed (or worse!!) with right on your side. Are these covered by the American FARs? Every paraglider pilot must learn these before qualifying and I believe that ALL of us should adhere to them as well. . Stay safe peeps. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkwing 5 #2 August 31, 2005 None of these rules help anyone when neither party sees things happening in advance. -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Disodium 0 #3 August 31, 2005 yup, 91.113 http://www.aopa.org/pilot/features/regrvw9701.html#113 QuoteSec. 91.113 Right-of-way rules: Except water operations. (a) Inapplicability. This section does not apply to the operation of an aircraft on water. (b) General. When weather conditions permit, regardless of whether an operation is conducted under instrument flight rules or visual flight rules, vigilance shall be maintained by each person operating an aircraft so as to see and avoid other aircraft. When a rule of this section gives another aircraft the right-of-way, the pilot shall give way to that aircraft and may not pass over, under, or ahead of it unless well clear. (c) In distress. An aircraft in distress has the right-of-way over all other air traffic. (d) Converging. When aircraft of the same category are converging at approximately the same altitude (except head-on, or nearly so), the aircraft to the other's right has the right-of-way. If the aircraft are of different categories-- (1) A balloon has the right-of-way over any other category of aircraft; (2) A glider has the right-of-way over an airship, airplane, or rotorcraft; and (3) An airship has the right-of-way over an airplane or rotorcraft. However, an aircraft towing or refueling other aircraft has the right-of- way over all other engine-driven aircraft. (e) Approaching head-on. When aircraft are approaching each other head-on, or nearly so, each pilot of each aircraft shall alter course to the right. (f) Overtaking. Each aircraft that is being overtaken has the right-of-way and each pilot of an overtaking aircraft shall alter course to the right to pass well clear. (g) Landing. Aircraft, while on final approach to land or while landing, have the right-of-way over other aircraft in flight or operating on the surface, except that they shall not take advantage of this rule to force an aircraft off the runway surface which has already landed and is attempting to make way for an aircraft on final approach. When two or more aircraft are approaching an airport for the purpose of landing, the aircraft at the lower altitude has the right-of-way, but it shall not take advantage of this rule to cut in front of another which is on final approach to land or to overtake that aircraft. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #4 September 1, 2005 Those rules apply to aircraft, not skydivers. The USPA recommends the following the same rules, but it's not law. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #5 September 1, 2005 Yup, it is covered in most schools. See my S&TA features on The Ranch web site at http://theblueskyranch.com/STA.php. It is article 12 "Landing Direction defined." .Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #6 September 1, 2005 QuoteNone of these rules help anyone when neither party sees things happening in advance Maybe, but is that because they're flying with the brain shut off? . (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #7 September 1, 2005 but surely, a canopy is an aircraft and thus we should be covered by the exact same rule - IMO (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #8 September 1, 2005 Nope... not in the US anyway. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #9 September 1, 2005 Quotebut surely, a canopy is an aircraft and thus we should be covered by the exact same rule - IMO There exists an explicit legal ruling, upheld on appeal, that a canopy is NOT an aircraft in the USA.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #10 September 1, 2005 O.K (daft but I'll not argue the toss) - but even given the definition, surely the rules or guidance still makes sense none the less (?) Safety should be everyones priority and if we have a generally recognised protocol, lets train our people to follow it. Blues, (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites