sinker 0 #1 October 4, 2005 it might be apples and oranges but does anyone know the general safety record of ultralights relative to skydiving (with and/or without BRSs)? -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #2 October 4, 2005 I don't know, but I would guess that flying in ultralights is a little bit safer than skydiving... But then my only experience with ultralights is accidentally falling out of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #3 October 4, 2005 Old data but it's what I could find: -------------------------------------------------------- For a comparison to other sports, check the table printed on page 13 of the April 1990 issue of Parachutist. Here is a comparison of the risks of participating in various activities. It was put together by the U.S. Hang Gliding Association using data collected from various air sports organizations and melding it with data from the National Safety Council and other sources. Activity Participants Fatalities Rate per 100k per year All accidents 230,000,000 96,000 42 Traffic Fatalities 162,850,000 46,000 28 Power Boat Racing 7,000 5 71 SCUBA 300,000 140 47 Mountaineering 60,000 30 50 Boxing 6,000 3 50 AIR VEHICLES: Air Shows 1,000 5 500 Homebuilt 8,000 25 312 General Aviation 550,000 800 145 Sailplane 20,000 9 45 Balloon 4,500 3 67 Hang Gliding 25,000 10 40 SKYDIVING 110,000 28 25 It says the skydiving stats are for 1988, and it implies that the other figures are for 1989.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #4 October 4, 2005 thanks John, hope you had a good birthday! -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #5 October 4, 2005 110,000 parachutists -- in US or worldwide? Does this include tandem fun jumpers? Or was the USPA membership bigger back in 1990? Reason I ask is because USPA membership today is 34,000. If that # represents American jumpers, is there a large group in USA of parachutists that don't belong to the USPA? Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #6 October 4, 2005 Quote110,000 parachutists -- in US or worldwide? Does this include tandem fun jumpers? Or was the USPA membership bigger back in 1990? Reason I ask is because USPA membership today is 34,000. If that # represents American jumpers, is there a large group in USA of parachutists that don't belong to the USPA? I assume these are rhetorical questions.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #7 October 4, 2005 This might be one of the few SC postings moved elsewhere. I hope ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #8 October 4, 2005 Did you mean to put this in SC? Let me know if you want it to stay here. Otherwise I'll move it out to General Skydiving. Thanks!-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #9 October 4, 2005 sorry tom, didn't know where to put it really... if it'll get more action in gen. skydiving or if it just makes more sense to put it there, please do so. thanks. m -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #10 October 4, 2005 Moved from Speakers' Corner to General Skydiving Discussions.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #11 October 4, 2005 QuoteMoved from Speakers' Corner to General Skydiving Discussions. Would liberals or conservatives tend to fly ultralights? And if so, would they think about abortion and gun control while flying them? (sorry) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #12 October 4, 2005 hardy har har.b -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #13 October 4, 2005 They're real questions that I'm curious to know the answers to -- not sure what purpose they would serve as rhetorical questions. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #14 October 4, 2005 QuoteThey're real questions that I'm curious to know the answers to -- not sure what purpose they would serve as rhetorical questions. Well, you appear to have directed them to me, and I have no idea since I simply copied the data from an old source.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #15 October 4, 2005 In response to your post but not necessarily directed to you -- more like anyone who might know. Really though, I wonder what purpose these questions would serve were they rhetorical. I'll find an April 1990 issue instead... Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreggB 0 #16 October 4, 2005 That reflects USPA's less than honest reporting. 110,000 is all of the people who made a jump in the US in that year. For comparison 20,000 is about right for the total number of licensed sailplane pilots in the US. Also USPA doesn't count aircraft accidents on the way up, whereas the soaring society counts dead tow pilots(average about 1 year) in their numbers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #17 October 5, 2005 QuoteThat reflects USPA's less than honest reporting. 110,000 is all of the people who made a jump in the US in that year. For comparison 20,000 is about right for the total number of licensed sailplane pilots in the US. Also USPA doesn't count aircraft accidents on the way up, whereas the soaring society counts dead tow pilots(average about 1 year) in their numbers. I'm a licensed sailplane pilot but I haven't flown a sailplane in years. All prolly cancels out in the end.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fab 0 #18 October 9, 2005 QuoteI don't know, but I would guess that flying in ultralights is a little bit safer than skydiving... But then my only experience with ultralights is accidentally falling out of them. My only experience with an ultralight is almost having a mid-air collision with the #(*$&*#(@# during deployment. He thought it was good idea to fly over a DZ. 10 jumpers deployment around him during a 10-way!! As he was coming up from behind I only saw him when it was too late to do anything. Falling out of the is a lot better then falling into them. _______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
