Teaching with an expired rating

[skydog 2]

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Take it easy skydog. I updated the page earlier.

Ha, good save........ Pity you hadn't done it before posting. And I guess part time does count... sort of...

Just a side note, I wonder what potential students think about this "in fighting" between the two AFF Schools.

I think I would have serious reservations about a company that brought them to a public forum, no matter the intention behind it......mmmm

Bryn

Journey not destination.....

[kallend 2,145]

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Some of the "rules" in this sport are money generating engines for USPA.
I held a tandem rating for 15 years.......and an instructor rating for longer that that. Does the fact that I no longer chose to pay USPA their increasingly growing fees make me any less of a TM.....or an instructor?

As for his repack cycles on his reserve....that is almost laughable. If you had any idea how many jumpers pencilpack reserves i'm afraid you would be shocked.

bozzo

If your ratings have expired you are no longer qualified (despite your nearly 3,000 jumps) even to make a 2-way with a 24-jump skydiver who has yet to get his/her "A" license, while a USPA Coach with 120 jumps is perfectly qualified to do that.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[flyangel2 2]

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Some of the "rules" in this sport are money generating engines for USPA.

That's one of the ways USPA makes money. What's wrong with that? You want them to just pull money out of their butts? USPA needs money to operate.

If you don't want to join USPA then don't. No one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you.

Personally, I support USPA and the guildlines and all the work they do for us. Without them you need to ask were we would be. Think back to the air problems after 9/11. I think USPA had some hand in getting us skydivers back into the air.

But all this in just my opinion.

If the DZO allows someone to teach with an expired rating, what else is the DZO allowing?

May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey

[AndyMan 7]

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If your ratings have expired you are no longer qualified (despite your nearly 3,000 jumps) even to make a 2-way with a 24-jump skydiver who has yet to get his/her "A" license, while a USPA Coach with 120 jumps is perfectly qualified to do that.

I'm not sure I see your point.

By comparison, if you let your private pilots license expire, you have no more right to fly your Mooney than a 16 year old who just got signed off. Why should skydiving be any different?

_Am

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You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead.

[bozo 0]

f your ratings have expired you are no longer qualified (despite your nearly 3,000 jumps) even to make a 2-way with a 24-jump skydiver who has yet to get his/her "A" license, while a USPA Coach with 120 jumps is perfectly qualified to do that.

[bozo 0]

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Some of the "rules" in this sport are money generating engines for USPA.

That's one of the ways USPA makes money. What's wrong with that? You want them to just pull money out of their butts? USPA needs money to operate.

If you don't want to join USPA then don't. No one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you.
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Wow....that was quite an attack Ms Mary .
You read a whole lot into such a small post......a whole lot I didnt say.
Thank you for your input.

bozo

bozo
Pain is fleeting. Glory lasts forever. Chicks dig scars.

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[flyangel2 2]

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Wow....that was quite an attack Ms Mary .
You read a whole lot into such a small post......a whole lot I didnt say.
Thank you for your input.

Sorry, I thought you were slamming USPA. You are right, I read a lot into your post. I guess I'm just on edge about people that slam USPA.

Sorry.

May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey

[bozo 0]

Sorry, I thought you were slamming USPA. You are right, I read a lot into your post. I guess I'm just on edge about people that slam USPA.

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Well........I have been a paying member of USPA almost as long as you have and I appreciate the things they do. What I meant was that I wasnt doing many tandems , since I bounced,(400) and I hadnt had a staticline student in several years so there was no sense in my paying increasing renewals every year.
I know who I am as a skydiver...the people on this board that know me know also...thats good enough.

As for this other guy who showed up asking the original question......a rat is a rat.... period.
There are ways of handling things such as he brought up without calling mama.... USPA.
I'm done.
bozo

bozo
Pain is fleeting. Glory lasts forever. Chicks dig scars.

[Squeak 17]

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f your ratings have expired you are no longer qualified (despite your nearly 3,000 jumps) even to make a 2-way with a 24-jump skydiver who has yet to get his/her "A" license, while a USPA Coach with 120 jumps is perfectly qualified to do that.

John, I agree 100 %. I gave up all "credibility as a skydiver when I let those ratings expire. oh well

bozo

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John, I agree 100 %. I gave up all "credibility as a skydiver when I let those ratings expire. oh well

bozo

[skybytch 273]

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Joe Bloggs walking in off the street does not know you from Adam so the only way they have of knowing if you are commpetant is by your rating

Okay, here's a scenario. Joe Jumper has been an AFF instructor - rated by the appropriate organization (in this case, USPA) - for 5+ years, and has done over 1000 jumps as an AFF instructor. Joe also holds a PRO rating, is an S&TA and a Coach Course Director.

Being the responsible type, Joe sent his USPA renewal in on time, along with all the money to renew all his ratings. USPA sent him a new membership card - and it had NONE of his ratings on it. It took two more cards being sent before USPA got it right - that's over a month of not having proof of current instructional ratings.

Joe Jumper did everything right, but by what I'm reading in this thread many people would say that Joe Jumper shouldn't have been allowed to do any AFF jumps while he was waiting for USPA to fix their mistake(s)...

[flyangel2 2]

I'm a little lost on this one. Did Joe Jumper call USPA as soon as possible to bring their mistake to their attention? If that was the case, and USPA said, Opps, I see, you are an XYZ and we messed up. Let us send you a new card.

To me that would mean that he had a rating, it just wasn't on the card. Kind of like when they type in the USPA membership number wrong.

Or, did USPA say, "No, we don't have you listed as a XYZ." If that is the case, until it is cleared up, Joe Jumper isn't a USPA rated XYZ.

USPA is human and makes mistakes, it is just sad that Joe Jumper had to be at the receiving end.

May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey

[kallend 2,145]

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If your ratings have expired you are no longer qualified (despite your nearly 3,000 jumps) even to make a 2-way with a 24-jump skydiver who has yet to get his/her "A" license, while a USPA Coach with 120 jumps is perfectly qualified to do that.

I'm not sure I see your point.

By comparison, if you let your private pilots license expire, you have no more right to fly your Mooney than a 16 year old who just got signed off. Why should skydiving be any different?

_Am

Pilot licenses don't expire. They can be revoked for cause (such as serious FAR violations).

Thank you for making my point, perfectly.

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[kallend 2,145]

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Some of the "rules" in this sport are money generating engines for USPA.

That's one of the ways USPA makes money. What's wrong with that? You want them to just pull money out of their butts? USPA needs money to operate.

Save money on Parachutist then. I don't see that holding instructors to ransom is a good way of raising money, and that is what it amounts to.

There's no evaluation of ability for a rating renewal, just willingness to open up the ol' wallet.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Hooknswoop 19]

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Pilot licenses don't expire. They can be revoked for cause (such as serious FAR violations).

TRue, but in order to act as pilot in command you must have a current medical and have met the bi-annual recurrency requirments. Also, in order to carry passengers, you must have 3 landings within the last 90-days, at night to carry passengers at night. SO, just because you have a license in your pocket, does not mean you can go hop in an aircraft and go fly.

Derek

[Hooknswoop 19]

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There's no evaluation of ability for a rating renewal, just willingness to open up the ol' wallet.

I agree, there be some sort of check-dive for AFFI's to get their rating renewed. Currently, there is more than just "opening up the ol' wallet". There are currency requirements.

Derek

[kallend 2,145]

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Pilot licenses don't expire. They can be revoked for cause (such as serious FAR violations).

TRue, but in order to act as pilot in command you must have a current medical and have met the bi-annual recurrency requirments. Also, in order to carry passengers, you must have 3 landings within the last 90-days, at night to carry passengers at night. SO, just because you have a license in your pocket, does not mean you can go hop in an aircraft and go fly.

Derek

All of those requirements relate to proficiency in some definable way, not to inclination toward paying a ransom.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Hooknswoop 19]

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All of those requirements relate to proficiency in some definable way, not to inclination toward paying a ransom.

Like I said:

"I agree, there be some sort of check-dive for AFFI's to get their rating renewed."

Write a letter to USPA or do what I did and don't pay it.

Derek

[flyangel2 2]

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There's no evaluation of ability for a rating renewal, just willingness to open up the ol' wallet.

I'm with Derek on this one

May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey

[Shark 0]

Unfortunately it would require a USPA rep to complete the check dive. That means more $. Most people now feel the skill requirements are too easy to pass the initial course. How would this change anything for rating renewal? Would it be the same as a certification course?

Working where I do, I have the benefit of doing real AFF with my AFFCD, our Chief Instructor, and S&TA. Often these are the guys that are signing off on my renewal, and that of my coworkers.