Beverly 1 #26 December 9, 2005 QuoteYou can learn riser landing on any size canopy. Sparky MM, I would have to disagree with you there. I did not have the strength to use risors on any of my canopies (150 and 132's). I just could not affect anything. (Biceps not that strong). Now on a 105 I can finally use my front risers for what they should be used for; long - slow - turns, that speed up and allow me to look cool coming into land! I think true friendship is under-rated Twitter: @Dreamskygirlsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #27 December 9, 2005 QuoteMM, I would have to disagree with you there. I did not have the strength to use risors on any of my canopies (150 and 132's). I just could not affect anything. (Biceps not that strong). Use of front risers can still be learned on a 150 or a 250 for that matter. Not having the strength to pull the risers down is another issue. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #28 December 9, 2005 QuoteThere is a pretty good video kicking around of Scott Miller doing an entire swoop course on a 230 something... I've seen this video referenced before, in a thread about downsizing, and it was used as an example that size has nothing to do with how swoop-able a canopy is. One point that seems to get left out, however, is that the swoop-ability comes from Scott, not the canopy. Swooping a 220 Nav takes as much skill as swooping a Velo 103. If you happen to be jumping a 220 Nav, plase do not assume that because it's easier to fly than other canopies, that it is easier to swoop as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #29 December 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteMM, I would have to disagree with you there. I did not have the strength to use risors on any of my canopies (150 and 132's). I just could not affect anything. (Biceps not that strong). Use of front risers can still be learned on a 150 or a 250 for that matter. Not having the strength to pull the risers down is another issue. Sparky Very true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #30 December 9, 2005 Quote Swooping a 220 Nav takes as much skill as swooping a Velo 103. I would think it takes more skill to swoop the Navigator. That's why it's not surprising that the best swoopers spent so many jumps on large canopies. For Great Deals on Gear Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #31 December 9, 2005 It takes more balls for sure. You have to throw your turn looooooooooow on a 220 Nav. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #32 December 9, 2005 > I did not have the strength to use risors on any of my canopies (150 and 132's). This is a characteristic of canopy design, not size. Every single canopy out there, no matter what its design, puts all your weight on those four risers. The distribution of that weight depends on canopy design, not size or loading. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #33 December 10, 2005 QuoteOne point that seems to get left out, however, is that the swoop-ability comes from Scott, not the canopy. Swooping a 220 Nav takes as much skill as swooping a Velo 103. This is true. I've tried to swoop my wife's Saber2 190, and I struggled. I eventually gave up because I found myself in the corner too often. Trying to swoop that big canopy was FAR more dangerous than I would have thought. I can swoop the piss out of my Sam 136, though. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #34 December 10, 2005 QuoteI try to appeal to their ego. Do you want to be a great pilot and make your parachute fly fast? Or do you want a fast parachute that will make you look like a shitty pilot? Doesn't always work. But it strikes a cord with some. Or attention. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites thepollster 0 #35 December 10, 2005 I suggest you get some canopy coaching ASAP and work on your basic canopy skills. It sounds like your Samauri is a vanity canopy that you don't have the skills to fly safely. I weigh a lot less than you, and I can safely swoop a Sabre2 190, and I'm not a canopy god, I'm just someone who took the time (and money) to learn how to fly any canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 1 #36 December 10, 2005 A previous S&TA at Bay Area Skydiving had a great way to get people to back off on their aggressive approach to canopy flight. If he noticed a person flying in a dangerous manner, he’d take them aside… well, sort of aside.., threaten the hell out of them and walk them over to me, one of my old team mates or a couple other swoopers. At that point he practically forced us to help instruct them It worked sometimes. He was a great S&TA for the most part. There was nothing to fear but some people were afraid to screw up in front of him. He always had your back no matter what. So ... take them aside and threaten them. It seemed to work for Marty Gravitygirl's line about the fast canopies and piloting skills is the best I've heard. My thoughts were never organized enough to state it so eloquently Some people learn physical activities real quick. Quick learners usually think they are a bit more skilled than they really are and push it too hard. We all think we've “got it” until we either make a life altering mistake, or come real close. Lets use 100 landings as an example. Leave out the part about looking for other traffic and concentrate only on the actual approach and landing. Around 15 seconds of time is used to perform the turn, plane out, finish flaring and land. That equates to 25 minutes. Spread that out over 100 jumps and that's not very much at all. Add off landings, other canopies, obstacles, turbulence and other interferences into the mix. It takes a conscientious canopy pilot to set up properly for those last 15 seconds. It takes experience to not over react to interference that occurs within those last 15 seconds. Good luck!My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #37 December 10, 2005 Quote... Some people learn physical activities real quick. Quick learners usually think they are a bit more skilled than they really are... I am a quick-learner...I learned real quick that proficiency in skydiving activities is gonna take me a long time to learn. Fortunately, I learned that early on.... My parachute is still training me...at no cost, so far.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
thepollster 0 #35 December 10, 2005 I suggest you get some canopy coaching ASAP and work on your basic canopy skills. It sounds like your Samauri is a vanity canopy that you don't have the skills to fly safely. I weigh a lot less than you, and I can safely swoop a Sabre2 190, and I'm not a canopy god, I'm just someone who took the time (and money) to learn how to fly any canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #36 December 10, 2005 A previous S&TA at Bay Area Skydiving had a great way to get people to back off on their aggressive approach to canopy flight. If he noticed a person flying in a dangerous manner, he’d take them aside… well, sort of aside.., threaten the hell out of them and walk them over to me, one of my old team mates or a couple other swoopers. At that point he practically forced us to help instruct them It worked sometimes. He was a great S&TA for the most part. There was nothing to fear but some people were afraid to screw up in front of him. He always had your back no matter what. So ... take them aside and threaten them. It seemed to work for Marty Gravitygirl's line about the fast canopies and piloting skills is the best I've heard. My thoughts were never organized enough to state it so eloquently Some people learn physical activities real quick. Quick learners usually think they are a bit more skilled than they really are and push it too hard. We all think we've “got it” until we either make a life altering mistake, or come real close. Lets use 100 landings as an example. Leave out the part about looking for other traffic and concentrate only on the actual approach and landing. Around 15 seconds of time is used to perform the turn, plane out, finish flaring and land. That equates to 25 minutes. Spread that out over 100 jumps and that's not very much at all. Add off landings, other canopies, obstacles, turbulence and other interferences into the mix. It takes a conscientious canopy pilot to set up properly for those last 15 seconds. It takes experience to not over react to interference that occurs within those last 15 seconds. Good luck!My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #37 December 10, 2005 Quote... Some people learn physical activities real quick. Quick learners usually think they are a bit more skilled than they really are... I am a quick-learner...I learned real quick that proficiency in skydiving activities is gonna take me a long time to learn. Fortunately, I learned that early on.... My parachute is still training me...at no cost, so far.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
