Have you ever cut away from a slider up

[NelKel 0]

I have found that flaring all the way, holding, and then stroking the bottom end of the flare to be more effective at clearing a slider up mal.

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[JohnMitchell 16]

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I have found that flaring all the way, holding, and then stroking the bottom end of the flare to be more effective at clearing a slider up mal.

A hung up slider, all by itself, is not a malfunction. How do they teach this at your DZ?

[NelKel 0]

I think I know what your asking, but define a "hung" slider. I don't think any amount of pumping would clear that. The only thing that would clear that would be to reach up and grab it, and we both know that isn't possable

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[Dumpster 0]

Never had a slider hoplessy stuck, but have had a few that needed a bit of coaxing to come down. ( rear risers works for me-)

Easy Does It

[faulknerwn 38]

That was my first mal. I had borrowed gear, 199 jumps and it was the sunset load.. I had never had a chop before. The slider stow was caught up in the cascades and no amount of anything was getting that sucker down...

I had time to play with it but although the canopy was open and flying straight, as soon as I touched my toggles at all it would stall. No right turn, left turn or flaring. It was especially tough cuz it was borrowed gear with no "safety devices". It was a thousand times over the hardest choice I ever had to make - spinning mals or CRW wraps are much easier choices.

I chopped, eveyrthing landed on the dz (which made me proud since I spotted) and lots of liquor and beer were drank...

[JohnMitchell 16]

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I think I know what your asking, but define a "hung" slider. I don't think any amount of pumping would clear that. The only thing that would clear that would be to reach up and grab it, and we both know that isn't possible

Two ways that sliders can "hang up"
1-Simple friction between the lines and the slider grommets causes the slider to stop part way down. Nothing is twisted, tangled, or knotted. Simply use the toggles to pump the slider down. Very common occurrence on some canopies, nothing to worry about. Ask any old timer who used to jump a Unit.

2-Big knots, tangles, snarls in the suspension lines are holding up the slider. Okay, this is a malfunction. We teach to give two big pumps with the toggles to try and clear the mess. If that doesn't work, look reach, pull the reserve handle (we use an SOS system.)

First is relatively common, the second is not. When your slider doesn't come down, pump the toggles and watch what's going on with the canopy. Chop if necessary.

[NelKel 0]

Kewl! I was on the ground in about 2002 when a military JM was landing his personal gear. I noted that his slider was kinda up to the rest of the group of jumpers watching. The JM later stated that "no shit, I thought I was coming in hot". We Later realized while packing that a silicon bumper was inavertently brought up with the slider from the last pack job. I mean the silicon bumper was trappen in the slider grommet. IT was inadvertantly brought up the lines from the last pack job. It caused the slider to hang up about 1/2 way down. The JM landed unevently.

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[Andrewnewell 0]

Had it happen to me on my reserve a few years back. The guy who'd done my pack job didnt stich down the reserve link covers and after a cutaway from a good old spinning Stilletto I found that two of the Link covers had shot up the lines and were creating a bit of a problem.

They had got jammed in the gromets and looked like it had caused some sort of tention knot with one line groups. after pumping the breaks I had to revert back to the old millitry drills and tryed pulling down on the line group and letting it spring back up.

I cleared the knot and the jam on the second attempt and proceeded to kick out of some line twists.

Believe me when I say that my arse was twitching like rabbits nose through the entire event!

[skybeergodd 0]

Chopped a tandem this year because the slider was hung at the top on one side only. Ugly tension knots were below the slider on the right side so only the left side started down. It was one hell of a spin. I fought with it trying to clear the knots down to 3500' and couldn't even get them to budge so it was chop time.

[azureriders 0]

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If that doesn't work, look reach, pull the reserve handle (we use an SOS system.)

Is it commonly taught not to pull red on a sos system.

When I finished my FJC and was inspecting the gear, I found the SOS system. I was not sure what I was looking at but from the fact that I had done my home work, read a lot on here, and actually bought an old rig for my study, I knew that it was not what I was expecting. The coach that was giving the FJC actually did not want to answer my question at first, but after I examined a little more and thought I had if figured out, he caught me away from the other students and explained it to me.

The practice on our DZ is to still teach red then silver so that good habits form. To tell you the truth I dont think the instructors where happy that I new I could pull only silver and drilled it into me that I should not, so I promised them I wouldn't.

Of course this lead to my next question but I think I will start a new thread for it before totally highjacking this one.

[NWFlyer 2]

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I have found that flaring all the way, holding, and then stroking the bottom end of the flare to be more effective at clearing a slider up mal.

More effective than what?

I had a stuck slider as a student on student gear and after attempting to clear it without success, I chose to chop it because it had the canopy in a slow turn and I wasn't comfortable/confident that I could land it as it was.

I might make a different decision now, I might not. At the time I was very happy with my decision.

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

[JohnMitchell 16]

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If that doesn't work, look reach, pull the reserve handle (we use an SOS system.)

I think you may be confused. SOS stands for 'Singel Operation System." There is only one handle. When you pull it, it cuts away the main, then deploys the reserve. The is no red handle to pull, just silver.

Your description of the FJC sounds disturbing to me. Is there really a red handle that doesn't have to be pulled, yet the instructors teach to do that? I would never train anything that complicates emergency procedures needlessly. Once again, I think you may be confused.

[Orange1 0]

Never had it but... on FJC we were taught flare twice to clear it, if doesn't work then chop (we were jumping SL without altis so everything was on a time system ie don't try more than 2 attempts/longer than 5 seconds to clear a problem). Now I would try clear it flaring/rear risers but would chop if not down by decision altitude.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[azureriders 0]

Ok, I see now that I was a little uninformed that a SOS rig had only one handle, that makes your post make sense to me, but then leads to the student have to make a transition in EP's when he buys his own gear, not that I am, nor qualified to, saying that is a bad thing.

The gear that I jump:

has a red cutaway handle like most sport rigs

has an RSL

has a reserve silver D that has both a reserve rip chord and a second set of cut away cables to the 3 rings.

We are taught our EP's just as I explained earlier, (look right, grab right, look left, pull right, thumbs in and pull left.) but after I descovered the cut away cables on the reserve D I was basically told that if a student was to freak then hopefully he would pull atleast one handle and either one should do.

I first read about a SOS system here on DZ and thought that my rig was what was being described, I see now that a SOS is basically my rig without the red pillow, or am I still missing something.

Now I will speak to my DZO again, but I would now think that their stand is to gain the benefits of the SOS without the student haveing to change their EPs when buying a rig

I have another SOS related question that I started a thread about in S&T. Being that you are familiar with the set up I would really appreciate any input there as well

Thanks,
Joe