Ron 10 #126 December 22, 2005 Quote Does this imply there should only be a test if it's a requirement? Nope, but there are several tests already out there. The PRO test, BillVon's list before you downsize....There have been many more discussed and several others used. The problem is not the tests, lists, classes..ect. But that the people that need them don't get them. Quote While a stand-alone chart would give me a guide based on universal trends, it would do little to confirm that I am actually on pace with that trend and ready to downsize. If the only tool presented by the experts is a chart, why would beginners feel there is anything more to the story? Only you and your abilities would tell if you were ready to downsize...I have always been a supporter of a test out option...I WANT the truely skilled to advance. Quote We use jump numbers as minimums for license requirements, but we also add skill and experience objectives. Why would this be different? Somethings cause problems....Like two night jumps for the "D". Some people don't want to swoop, so why make them? Other things like flat turns and other really good stuff should be taught early so people can use them when they get into trouble. So what could we put in place for skills at different levels? We already have distance to target....But that is the most pencil whipped thing I have ever seen. Quote I'm not asking about this only for other students, I'm saying as a student myself (at 400+ jumps), I would LOVE to see a skills test put together by people more qualified than myself. The only skills test I've ever had suggested to me is the PRO-ratingesque 10-in-a-row test. I can see using the chart as a guide, maybe even a minimum requirement if it comes to that. As it stands now, I will downsize when my skills say I'm ready, not my jump numbers. I'm just asking for help in assessing my skills. BillVons chart of skills is a great guide. I like it, its great for YOU to decide if you are ready, but hard for others to know you did it. I like to PRO test since its easy to judge so that non swoopers could still sign off on it and its easy to do if you really know how to fly your canopy. Get any pro swooper to do it and they will have no problem. But if you are just looking for a personal test Bills list is good. But it does not work well for a test of skills in many cases. Landing where you want standing up works no matter what level of experince you are or what type of approach you do straight in or hook turn. The goal is the same, "Land where you want standing"."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nathaniel 0 #127 December 23, 2005 Quote When was the last time you heard a jumper complaining that 2000' is too high to pull and not been joking, or on drugs? I've heard it several times over the last year, tbh. I think there's more of a case for it when I hear it from wingsuit jumpers who rig up snappy openings than from freefallers. Not too keen on it myself tho--I've got a C lic and I get ansy right around 2500 ft even when I'm current.My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kleggo 145 #128 December 24, 2005 Quote How common is the 113 in the general public though? I know in the CRW dog world there are'nt that many of them just floating around and for the most part you have to have one custom made to fly one. _______________________________________________________________ if you have the time and the money, you can buy one. they are ALL custom made. PD rarely, if ever, makes lightnings to sit as shelf stock. be safe kleggo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #129 December 24, 2005 I like that chart, except I'm jumping too big of a chute. Bet I'll survive this year of skydiving too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrianSGermain 1 #130 December 26, 2005 Quote I like that chart, except I'm jumping too big of a chute. Bet I'll survive this year of skydiving too. This is why I changed the designation of the primary number from "Recommended" to "Middle of Range". There is nothing wrong with jumping a larger parachute than the Chart suggests. This is just a benchmark to get an idea of where you fall in the overall scheme of things. It is a guide, not a directive. +Instructional Videos:www.AdventureWisdom.com Keynote Speaking:www.TranscendingFEAR.com Canopies and Courses:www.BIGAIRSPORTZ.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
