skinnyshrek 0 #151 December 22, 2005 Regardless of what causes cancer self inflicted or just unlucky. I will help out and donate anyway i can. Who are we to be so judgemental on others?http://www.skydivethefarm.com do you realize that when you critisize people you dont know over the internet, you become part of a growing society of twats? ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MB38 0 #152 December 22, 2005 If Shayna had never gone to the media and simply posted here asking for advice on getting donations to help her with her medical bills after jumping without insurance... I wonder what the reaction would be. I don't think it would be much different, but there's no way to know. Should we start another poll? I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnyshrek 0 #153 December 22, 2005 Be Rude not to....http://www.skydivethefarm.com do you realize that when you critisize people you dont know over the internet, you become part of a growing society of twats? ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #154 December 22, 2005 Quote Regardless of what causes cancer self inflicted or just unlucky. I will help out and donate anyway i can. Who are we to be so judgemental on others? i always donate to cancer charities, i'd go out of my way to help if it was required.________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #155 December 22, 2005 Many of you guys are amazingly judgmental. I don't know anything about her incident, but from what I can gather, she is VERY lucky to be alive, and is very physically damaged. From what I can gather NO ONE here has been in her situation before but many of you are so very quick to judge her. Renee you say you would not do what she has done and you'd stand on your own and suffer for it. well that's all well and good from the comfort of your office, but you may respond differently if you are ever in her situation. Everyone should just take a step back and seriously think about how lucky they are that they are NOT in her situation.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #156 December 22, 2005 Quote If Shayna had never gone to the media and simply posted here asking for advice on getting donations to help her with her medical bills after jumping without insurance... I wonder what the reaction would be. I don't think it would be much different, but there's no way to know. I do think it would be much different, because that would have kept it in-house, instead of feeding the media (at least with the first several interviews) to report to our scared mothers and friends, basically, that it was another one of those "chute didn't open" things those crazy, death-wishing skydivers keep getting themselves into. As I said in one of the other threads, aren't you sick of having that same stupid conversation over & over again with your whuffo relatives & neighbors? Getting the worried call from Aunt Phyllis any time she hears about an accident even if it's 1,000 miles away from where you live? I sure am. It's bad enough when Real TV does it to us; but it's their job to be media whores. But it really hurts when the people who do that to us are a couple of our own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #157 December 22, 2005 Quote I will just chime in to say something I have said on dz.com before. All the people that say you should not jump if you don't have insurance really need to understand the realities of our sport. 90% of the people who work full time at dropzones do not have insurance. If they get hurt they are in trouble. But, they still jump and work in the sport they love. There are World Champions that jump everyday that do not have insurance. Do you all think all these people should stop jumping? They will laugh at you if you tell them to. ah but the rub is if you do jump without insurance and break yourself, don't expect me to pay for your mistake. I think it is very bad judgment to jump without insurance."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #158 December 22, 2005 Quote Thanks for your honesty, Clint. It would be nice if DZ's could cover instructors health insurance And how much more per jump would you be willing to pay for that to happen?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #159 December 22, 2005 Squeak, I know Renee quite well. No...she wouldn't react differently if she was in Shayna's situation. And, yes, people should be glad they are not in Shayna's situation. *There are quite a few things that I was going to say, but they've been covered in this thread already so I won't repeat them.*Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #160 December 22, 2005 Quote Squeak, I know Renee quite well. No...she wouldn't react differently if she was in Shayna's situation. And, yes, people should be glad they are not in Shayna's situation. Hi Cora, I'm not trying to be contrary, but you don't know that and neither does Renee, no do I. none of us have been in her situation, so we don't know just how we would react. We all like to think we would take a so called moral high ground, but until we are faced with the same situation our own actions are nothing more than speculuationPM me we havn't chatted in ages.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #161 December 22, 2005 Quote I call it the “entitlement generation”. They have been raised to believe they are “entitled” to do what ever and have what ever they want. Your generation was raised to believe you “entitled” to what ever you earn, nothing more, and nothing less. What about my generation ya old man?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #162 December 22, 2005 Quote Am I the only one that doesn't understand why people are making such a huge ordeal over this topic? The whole situation is fishy...BF instructor, questions about the saftey of the gear. At first she seemed to blame the gear, then she seems to accept the fault. She seems to be trying to milk it for aid...Not unexpected but distasteful to some. For example my parents did really stupid stuff with their retirement investments. I am now helping to support them. I am not asking for help from people, nor expecting it. They are not asking help for you or anyone else. She did something stupid and now it seems kinda expects others to fix it for her. I am all about helping those that need it, but only if they are trying to help themselves and only those that admit they screwed up....I don't money to drunks on the side of the road, but I do give money to charities that help Alchoholics."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwampGod 0 #163 December 22, 2005 Quote That was my point. People paint this subculture as special and close. It isn't at all. It's exactly like every other part of life. Feel free to speak for your skydiving friends, or even your drop zone. But my experience in this sport has been far different. I meet more caring, giving people in skydiving than I do in every other part of life. And the experiences we share make a special closeness that can't be found everywhere. To be fair, I've also met some fantastic dick-head (and dick-headettes) on drop zones. But certainly not as many as I meet on the highway driving into Boston. Maybe I'm just lucky. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eiley 0 #164 December 22, 2005 Quote As I said in one of the other threads, aren't you sick of having that same stupid conversation over & over again with your whuffo relatives & neighbors? Getting the worried call from Aunt Phyllis any time she hears about an accident even if it's 1,000 miles away from where you live? I sure am. It's bad enough when Real TV does it to us; but it's their job to be media whores. But it really hurts when the people who do that to us are a couple of our own. In all honestly, if I was pregnant with half the bones in my body broken, I don't really think I'd be too concerned over the slight inconvenience to you of having to explain this to people. A little perspective, maybe? nothing to see here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carbonezone 0 #165 December 22, 2005 <<<< Not directed towards anyone >>>> The next time “and we all KNOW it will happen” one of our friends or family members get hurt or worse yet, GOES-IN and there is a bake sale, fund raiser or so on for the surviving family I think I will just slip a note into the can or envelope that reads “SORRY FOR YOUR LUCK BUT YOUR INJURED,DEAD FRIEND, OR FAMILY MEMBER SHOULD OF HAVE HAD LIFE INSURANCE….SORRY FOR YOUR LUCK”, Shame of some of your pompous attitudes! Flame on….I am bored! Disgusted and Burnt the FUCK OUT! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #166 December 22, 2005 YOU and only you are the one who chose to sensationalize your accident to the public, thus portraying this sport in a negative light.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #167 December 22, 2005 Quote The next time “and we all KNOW it will happen” one of our friends or family members get hurt or worse yet, GOES-IN and there is a bake sale, fund raiser or so on for the surviving family I think I will just slip a note into the can or envelope that reads “SORRY FOR YOUR LUCK BUT YOUR INJURED,DEAD FRIEND, OR FAMILY MEMBER SHOULD OF HAVE HAD LIFE INSURANCE….SORRY FOR YOUR LUCK”, Shame of some of your pompous attitudes! Tammi...I think there is a big difference between people getting together to help a friend, and asking strangers to help you. Also it seems that her story has changed to fit the audience."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pdj6p 0 #168 December 22, 2005 The disability issue is not that cut and dried. I personaly don't know any of the facts in this case but, I do know that there are certain disabilities that would not be efected by jumping. Such as certain chemical oversensitivity. Also if the disibility was from military causes it does not seem to matter what you do the VA will still pay. Death is so permanant, and I'm just not ready for that kind of committment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #169 December 22, 2005 Quote Now she is looking for a solution to get her out of her current jam. And she is fucking you, me, and every other person that makes a living from skydiving in the process. If her appearance on every news station in the country reduces the overall student turn out, she's done us all a dis-service. I'll do one less tnadem, you'll sell one less t-shirt, the DZO will fly one less load. Everyone hurts because she can't deal with her own problems. I didn't see her appealing to jumpers to help her out first. That's because she didn't think and doesn't care.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #170 December 22, 2005 Quote I think it is very bad judgment to jump without insurance. So do i. I had life insurance for 20+ years. Then came 09/11. I was working overseas at the time. Things changed for me dramatically after that. My insurer dropped me like an anvil in the atlantic. Their reason being they would not cover anyone's death associated with transatlantic travel because of the heightned terroists threats. Would it have been my fault if my plane would have been bombed and i died? Then my personal insurance carrier Prudential was advised that i took up skyving, they dropped my personal injury policy. They also advised me that if i was killed in a skydiving incident they would consider it suicide. Do i think this is BS, well YEAH! I have approached several other insurance carriers, given my occupation, i am a Drilling Operations Manager, i drill oil and gas wells for a living in a very hazourdous environment, i can be killed anytime essentially becaus of the presence of hydrocarbons and natural gas and the explosion(s) it may and could cause, i have not found one insurance carrier to take my account. AND my wife works at an insurance agency. So before we all get to criticizing others for not being covered, consider the circumstances. Quote ah but the rub is if you do jump without insurance and break yourself, don't expect me to pay for your mistake. Ron, this is an utterly rediculous statement on your behalf. (IMO) I can't count the times when skydivers have met their doom enjoying our sport and the families have come and asked for donations. This is not out of the ordinary. It is a voluntary thing, if you can, and want to help fine. If not, that's fine as well. So bashing and making comments such as yours are really for naught. There are several skydivers on this sight that i have helped financially when they asked, i was glad to do it. If i were not in the position to help, i wouldn't have. (They know who they are) The reason Shayna is not responding here is because she knows all she'll get is attacked even further. I thought this crowd had more heart than that, i must have missed my guess. In any event, everyone here knows the second you exit the jumpcraft that may be the last sane thing they will ever do, anybody that thinks they can't be killed, or seriously maimed for life is in denial.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RkyMtnHigh 0 #171 December 22, 2005 Quote Quote Now she is looking for a solution to get her out of her current jam. And she is fucking you, me, and every other person that makes a living from skydiving in the process. If her appearance on every news station in the country reduces the overall student turn out, she's done us all a dis-service. I'll do one less tnadem, you'll sell one less t-shirt, the DZO will fly one less load. Everyone hurts because she can't deal with her own problems. I didn't see her appealing to jumpers to help her out first. That's because she didn't think and doesn't care. JP...you know I love ya to death...but give this girl a break. _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carbonezone 0 #172 December 22, 2005 Quote Tammi...I think there is a big difference between people getting together to help a friend, and asking strangers to help you. Quote No not really at all......I could only stomach reading through about 50 posts into the thread. I do not know the entire story of the publicity that surrounded this accident. I am commenting on the outright coldness coming from people in this thread regarding the comments about the topic in general....ITS FUCKING SICK! People die and get hurt all the time in ALL TYPES of sports. Some of you people put yourselves on pedestals because you are a MIGHT SKYDIVER. Lets start hounding the news and family members who publicize when a little league football player gets hit so hard he can never walk again….and lets not forget the kid shouldn’t have been out there to begin with because his parents didn’t have medical benefits. As far as publicity goes…..its part of the fucking sport so why hide it! GET REAL! Imagine how many people would stop watching race car driving if TV blocked out all the accidents “sick but true”! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #173 December 22, 2005 Quote One other quick note on the insurance thing... I'm getting real tired of bucking up some money to buy a box to bury a 'broke' buddy in. Two words~ LIFE INSURANCE! Nothing to add to the first poster's rant, but I whole heartedly agree with this. In addition to health insurance, I bought into a Death and Dismemberment insurance, a large Disability insurance extra rider (available for an extra surcharge from my place of employment), and a Life Insurance policy. I learned my lesson 18 years ago when I, too, didn't have health insurance and met with a very serious injury from a horse. Luckily my family knew what to do at that time. I have -never- been without insurance since then. Too risky. When I went on unemployment for 18 months, several years ago, I skipped out on alot of 'necessities' and bought into a health insurance policy that would cover major injuries. Regular doctor visits, if needed, would be paid out of pocket. However, if there was a major need, I was covered. That only cost me about $100/month. A large chunk out of my unemployment check, but worth it for peace of mind. Get health insurance, people! At least a policy that covers major catastrophes. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #174 December 22, 2005 Quote Also it seems that her story has changed to fit the audience. This statement is speculative at the least. I saw her television interview, i heard her story as she told it, i have not hear her deviate from the first story. As far as HER pursuing the media, do you really think it was her pursuing the media, or the media pursuing her?-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #175 December 22, 2005 Quote The reason Shayna is not responding here is because she knows all she'll get is attacked even further. No, the reason she's being attacked is because she chose to sensationlize disaster on national telivision, thus making this sport look bad. Doesn't matter how many times she says "it's my fault" or not. This sport still looks bad, and that will chase customers away. Look at what happened to Wendy's when they were falsly accused of having a human finger in their chilli last year. They lost MILLIONS in business. Public peception is hugely important. Quote I thought this crowd had more heart than that, i must have missed my guess. I sure didn't see her making an appeal to jumper on this site for suport. It's been done before and people have helped in the past, but she chose to put her selfishness ahead of the sport. She chose to ignore that which she agreed to in the waiver. Her word means nothing.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
