Pull Up found on rig on jump run.

[hookitt 1]

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I disagree, A good serious chat given by the DZO or S&TA is probably a better method.

It's certainly more politically correct. Skydivers are sensitive emotional beings. We must be politically correct.

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He already knows he screwed up, humiliating someone doesnt always put them in a receptive mood to learn from anything.

You're right, he'll be pissed off and in the mood to punch you, but I doubt he'll forget the lesson.

No worries, I don't agree with ridicule but seriously, I hate to admit something like this but ... it's often a great tool.

My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto

[kallend 2,112]

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> I also ask for a "pin check" on the jump run ... is this over the top?

Not as long as you do it far before the door opens. A pin check while the door open can be dangerous; imagine a guy who tugs at your flap and manages to pop the pin while the door is open. Also, a pin check a few seconds _before_ the door open is of questionable utility - you have to check your gear and give yourself enough time to fix the problem before the door opens.

At my home DZ we normally stand up for gear checks at 10k for a 13k nominal jump run. This gives plenty of time (too much, maybe). I have been to places where the standard is to stay sitting down until almost at door opening time.

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[billvon 3,080]

>At my home DZ we normally stand up for gear checks at 10k for a 13k nominal jump run.

Do you guys still not have benches in the otters?

[sunshine 2]

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Do you guys still not have benches in the otters?

And lets hope we never get benches.

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[3ringheathen 0]

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He already knows he screwed up, humiliating someone doesnt always put them in a receptive mood to learn from anything.

Based upon the original post, he doesn't know, or at least doesn't fully appreciate how badly he screwed up.
"When asked about it, the jumper said he had not seen it and did not seem to concerned that he had made such an error."

Later on in the thread that seems to have changed.

Anyway, my point wasn't necessarily directed at this individual, but rather a general observation about skydiver personalities.

When they aren't receptive to S&TA lectures and the like, it really seems like one of the most effective alternatives is some good natured ridicule. Often it's either that or shun them altogether.

I'm pretty sure mine isn't the only DZ where you'll get shit from your buds if you repeatedly make dumb choices. That's what friends are for.
YMMV.
-Josh

If you have time to panic, you have time to do something more productive. -Me*
*Ron has accused me of plagiarizing this quote. He attributes it to Douglas Adams.

[Dazzle 0]

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Just did a little ground test on my rig (Sidewinder, with closing loop attached to bottom flap).

It took some work to get the bag out of the container; the pin popped easily enough, but now there is a 2 foot pull up cord that has to go through 3 other flaps until the bag is free. Couldn't use my scale (arms aren't long enough) but I had the whole rig off the floor and was shacking it good until it worked it's way loose.

I would imagine that a Vector or Javelin with the closing loop going through 4 flaps would be even harder. Maybe latter today when I have a vector or javelin out I'll give it a try.

Tried this a couple of weeks ago with my Wings. To my suprise the bag wouldn't come out despite bouncing it on the bridal.

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BTW. Had to re-close my rig twice to get the pull up cord in there, the first go I pulled it out automatically D'oh.

Yep, did that as well!

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When asked about it, the jumper said he had not seen it and did not seem to concerned that he had made such an error."
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true enough, he acted like a brash idiot, what do you think the odds are that inside he was going......shit ... shit.... I am an idiot?

I would like to give him the benifit of the doubt..... and unless he is a complete moron, he learned something with this.

good natured teasing from his friends will keep it fresh in his mind for quite a while, I took your post to mean to humiliate him....sorry, my bad.

Roy

They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.

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But I don't like others fucking with my gear on jump run. You know I've pointed out a few things to other people though.
If my flaps are closed, leave my gear alone.

[3ringheathen 0]

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good natured teasing from his friends will keep it fresh in his mind for quite a while, I took your post to mean to humiliate him....sorry, my bad.

No worries.
It wasn't exactly crystal clear what I meant.
Your take on it was reasonable.
-Josh

If you have time to panic, you have time to do something more productive. -Me*
*Ron has accused me of plagiarizing this quote. He attributes it to Douglas Adams.

[karlm 0]

- I am sure the jumper has learned a lesson from his slip up. His initial response may not have been the correct way to handle it. But we live and learn.

- I would and never suggested that a jumper be a AFF I without the rating. He jumper is skilled and has a natural talent for the sport, he holds no rating, but does coach free fly which I think he does well at.

- I do think that the jumper who noticed the pull up cord, might have handled the talking to a bit rough, and we all know skydivers seem to have a bit of a authority issue.

All in all a mistake was made, a jumper helped out and prevented a nasty incident, we have all learned from it. Gear check are important for both you and your fellow jumpers.

Better never to have met you in my dream than to wake and reach for hands that are not there.

[Liemberg 0]

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true enough, he acted like a brash idiot, what do you think the odds are that inside he was going......shit ... shit.... I am an idiot?

I remember the DZ where it happened, the rig I was wearing, the plane I was walking up to, at least one other person that was in that same load and the chief instructor who stopped me saying 'hey, you forgot something!'

Then he reached behind my back and showed me my pull up cord.

I distinctly remember how stupid I felt.

That was more than twenty years ago...

I think the odds are pretty good...

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