okalb 104 #1 January 17, 2006 Based on the discussion going on in this thread http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2028087;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread I wanted to get other non wingsuit pilot's opinion. Is it acceptable for the wingsuit jumpers to "buzz" people under canopy while they are still in freefall. I am not talking about cases where this has been pre-planned. I am talking about them taking it upon themselves to buzz you while you are under canopy.Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #2 January 17, 2006 You should never buzz someone unless they are aware and have agreed with you in advance. It's fun to hunt down tandems, and do a fly-by (you in a wingsuit, them under canopy) and open up in front of them. But we need to talk to those who will be buzzed in advance and get their "okay" before you do it. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #3 January 17, 2006 No. They're putting me at risk without my consent. I don't know or trust them to be sufficiently capable pilots to avoid killing me. Buzzing me without prior arrangement shows a very disturbing lack of judgement. If I know and trust them and we talk about it beforehand, I don't see why not - then both of us are accepting of the additional risk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #4 January 17, 2006 I would say no, Ive had someone run on my canopy while I was in the air and it greatly disturbed me. Even after I realized what he had done. I do not invade others airspace, I expect the same respect unless it is pre-planned (I would not allow it personally but Im a shitty skydiver )Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #5 January 17, 2006 I would have major issues if somebody buzzed me without preplanning it. Preplan it, and in addition to me not being pissed off, I'd have my cameras ready. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #6 January 17, 2006 QuoteBased on the discussion going on in this thread http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2028087;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread I wanted to get other non wingsuit pilot's opinion. Is it acceptable for the wingsuit jumpers to "buzz" people under canopy while they (the birdsuits) are still in freefall. I am not talking about cases where this has been pre-planned. I am talking about them taking it upon themselves to buzz you while you are under canopy. I advise people to follow the SIM recommendation. That recommendation is only a tiny step away from becoming a BSR. J. Flybys 1. Wing suits should not be flown by or in the proximity of any student jumps. 2. Wing suit jumps should not be made in the proximity of experienced jumpers without prior coordination with those jumpers. Section 1. includes tandems, as well as any other student (AFF, S/L, IAD, hybrid) Section 2. means non-students, you know like the crw stack buzzes etc. Also a tandem passenger/student is NOT an experienced jumper unless they have a skydiver license. "Just because you can does not mean you should." .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #7 January 17, 2006 A catchier way of saying it: "Don't involve me in your skydive without asking first." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamtx73 0 #8 January 17, 2006 I'm far from a experienced skydiver.. I'd be extremely pissed if a birdman buzzed me while under canopy and would probably hunt him down after I got on the ground to have a few words with him before reporting him to the dzoThe only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #9 January 17, 2006 No. Un-announced buzz jobs are totaly un-acceptable. Oh and in addition to alot of other things, I have 400+ wingsuit jumps.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tr027 0 #10 January 17, 2006 If it's close enough that if I were to turn my canopy there would have been problems, then no. Merely having a wingsuit within visual range is not bad."The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. " -John Galt from Atlas Shrugged, 1957 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #11 January 17, 2006 QuoteMerely having a wingsuit within visual range is not bad. Famous last words. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #12 January 17, 2006 No. If someone buzzed me without my prior consent, it would not be pleasant for them once they got to the ground. Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #13 January 17, 2006 QuoteJ. Flybys 1. Wing suits should not be flown by or in the proximity of any student jumps. 2. Wing suit jumps should not be made in the proximity of experienced jumpers without prior coordination with those jumpers. Please define proximity in distance? Be safe Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tr027 0 #14 January 17, 2006 My recent experience with this was as follows: At Perris over the holidays I flew many loads as the lone wingsuit with an Otter load of strangers (many foreigners even). I was usually in the same area as them cause I didnt get a wingsuit spot. I flew relatively near and observed them under canopy while I was still in freefall, didn't get closer than 150' (basically what I estimated their nearly immediate manuevering range) because I didn't arrange prior. Nobody was bent all day, not even the tandems. Of course, 'your mileage may vary'."The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. " -John Galt from Atlas Shrugged, 1957 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #15 January 17, 2006 >I was usually in the same area as them cause I didnt get a wingsuit spot. ??? The 'wingsuit spot' at Perris is to go last and fly east, then not cross the jump run line until you are under canopy. You give yourself a wingsuit spot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #16 January 17, 2006 keeping this a little in perspective ....how many people set out to buzz canopies while in freefall? It would normally be considered a bit risky to say the least. Of course wingsuits are more manoevrable but the pilots inside them are not necessarily capable of handling the closing speeds. There is a big difference between buzzing close and buzzing nearby. This whole buzzing thing is more like showing -off than sport. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #17 January 17, 2006 QuoteI was usually in the same area as them cause I didnt get a wingsuit spot. I've yet to be on a DZ that gives a "wingsuit spot". It's up to you to fly a proper pattern away from the line of flight and other jumpers on the load.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #18 January 17, 2006 QuoteA catchier way of saying it: "Don't involve me in your skydive without asking first." This is probably the best thing I've read all month.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #19 January 17, 2006 No. You do not have the right to endanger me for your fun. I wonder how some of these guys would like to do a little Stiletto CRW after they open? Hey, it's safe, *I* know what I am doing. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #20 January 17, 2006 I noticed that 11 people have voted "Yes, it's ok." I'd like to hear comments from them as to their reasoning.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #21 January 17, 2006 Quote QuoteJ. Flybys 1. Wing suits should not be flown by or in the proximity of any student jumps. 2. Wing suit jumps should not be made in the proximity of experienced jumpers without prior coordination with those jumpers. Please define proximity in distance? Probably the same definition as in 'Your group opened up too close to our group.' .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #22 January 17, 2006 Unbriefed formation flying is just dumb! No matter what you are flying. Definitely stay outside of a canopy's turning radius, so that if he turns unexpectedly, he will not fly into the path of the oncoming wingsuit. Last year, only one wingsuiter asked for permission to fly past my tandem (under canopy). Since he was our most experienced wingsuiter, I said sure. He was so far away that I did not see him until after he opened. I'll give you a hint: if you scare the senior tandem instructor, he has the option of refusing to fly on the same airplane as you. Hint: the senior TI - at our DZ - is on half the loads. Can you afford to miss half the loads? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packerboy 3 #23 January 17, 2006 It's funny when they buzz by you to show you where they are right before they open so you have an excellent seat while they struggle with retarded line twists at 1000ftin their bman suit... entertaining to say the least. That is of course if the outcome is good. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildcard451 0 #24 January 17, 2006 Sometimes I have had to fly through the open tandems on my flight path back to the DZ. When they are on the load in front of me, I start looking and trying to pick them up at around 7000 feet. Always counting how many were on the load, and so forth. I have split tandem masters before at approx 200 yds on either side then opened. When I got to the ground, the two approached me and let me know that they were surprised by a deploying canopy just below and inbetween them, as they had never had it happen to them before. We talked it over, and they both let me know that they are rather uncomfortable with the idea of wingsuits near them under canopy. So, if I fly the suits with them on the load, I take care not to put myself within their sight unless absolutely necessary. There's plenty of sky for me to play with. I just do it out of courtesy.. I've had other jumpers, on the other hand, point out specifically what colors their canopy is, where they are pulling, and ask me to come by for a visit. I let them know what I expected them to do, what I was gonna do, and all was well. I've only got about 70-80 WS jumps, so by no means do I consider myself skilled. Do I feel I can line up 100 feet off to your side and bring it by you? Yeah. But you better be damned sure I am bailing like a champion if I don't like the setup. Will I bring it closer than that? Nope. Skills aren't there to even think about it. Have some manners. If someone doesn't like the idea, we all know that we have a lot more freedom as WS pilots to move around the sky than they do. All that longwinded post did was really just agree with the "Don't involve me in your skydive without us talking it over first" quote. Have fun. Don't hurt yourself or anyone else. And don't be a prick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #25 January 17, 2006 AHHHH!!!!! okalb!!!! do i have to bring all the stuff up again? blabla blabla... How close is a buzz job... GRRRR!!!!! i hate skydivers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
