skydivermom 0 #1 February 17, 2006 Okay, I finally have my own rig....and it's just great! I've already packed it three times at the dz (with supervision) and twice in my living room. I'm getting it in the bag okay, but I know it needs to be smaller. I realize this will come with practice, but was just wodering if you guys/gals have any tips to make a smaller/neater fit in the bag. I'm definately going to repack it at the dz before I jump again. I still want that security blanket of someone watching me do it.Mrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seejanefall 0 #2 February 17, 2006 Try a psycho pack. I was able to fit a 170 into a D-bag made to fit a 150. _____________ PMS #394 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivermom 0 #3 February 17, 2006 What is a psycho pack?Mrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seejanefall 0 #4 February 17, 2006 It's an alternate way to pack your parachute, other than the flat pack or pro pack. Some people love it, some people hate it. I love it. You end rolling the parachute like a sleeping bag, which helps get it into the D-bag smoother if you have a large parachute. Check out http://www.precision.aero/, go to the general information section & check out the precision pack. It has a video of the psycho pack. _____________ PMS #394 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #5 February 17, 2006 QuoteWhat is a psycho pack? Nothing for you to worry about. Get good a packng the regular way first, then experiement with other ways. Try laying your D-bag out at the top of your canopy after you have laid it down. When you cocoon it, use the D bag as a guide, and try to coccon it so it is slightly narrow-er than the D bag. The cocoon will 'grow' as you fold it, and the end result should be about the same size as the bag. As your folding skills develop, you'll want to reverse this porcess to ensure that you are filling the bag. When you can fold the canopy with no change in width from the cocoon, you want to shoot for an inch wider on each side, so it fills the corners nicely. Again, this is something to worry about later on in your packing education. For now, just try to plan ahead a little for what you're going to do, and that should help a little. Otherwise, tough it out, learning to pack just sucks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #6 February 17, 2006 Psycho pack is more of a bagging technique, than a packing method. If it was the cats meow, then everyone would be doing it. In time your packing technique will adjust to your equipment, and you will be able to trim the bulk down. A neater pack job will probably have a little less bulk. The biggest advice I can give you is to go out and jump. The more you jump the more you have to pack the bettter you get at it. Jump jump jump, just be carefull, and get canopy coaching from a qualified person. Take the advice you get off the internet, and from 100 jump wonders at the DZ with a grain of salt. There is more bad and dangerous advice floating around out there than good advice. If you have questions ask your AFF instructors. That is all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #7 February 17, 2006 If you do not understand the following description, get an experienced packer who does, to show you. The best trick I learned as a new packer, which I have used on every pack job since, is to do the S-folds in reverse order. Start closest to the bag, make the upper S-fold and shove that in the bag, then make the lower S-fold and put it inside. Makes it so you never have to put the WHOLE canopy in the bag at once, something I still probably couldn't do if I tried (and I haven't tried in years). The end result is identical if done correctly.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivermom 0 #8 February 17, 2006 That is awesome! I will try that...thanks a bunch!Mrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivermom 0 #9 February 17, 2006 Thanks for the help...and I always run EVERYTHING by my (static line) instructors before putting them into practice. They have told me, though, that there are a lot of ways to packMrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #10 February 17, 2006 Quote...is to do the S-folds in reverse order. This is what I do and I also use my knees to keep the pressure on the cocoon after I lay it down and get the D-bag ready and also as I'm putting the canopy into the D-bag. Don't bother with the psycho pack. There's probably one person at your DZ who saw someone do it once. Additionally, its recommended that you have an extended bridle attachment point in order to bring the D-bag around the side to orient it correctly."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #11 February 17, 2006 Psycho packing is just a minor variation on PRO packing. What is the fuss? Directions were posted on Precision Aerodynamics website a long time ago. The major advantage of Psycho packing is the rolling phase, which I learned several years before I ever saw Psycho packing. Ask a local packer to show you the roll portion of psycho packing because it vastly simplifies the "bagging" phase. Finally, a bridle extension is nice, but not mandatory when rolling a canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #12 February 17, 2006 I have been doing a variation on that for the last few years. I start by dressing the canopy to almost the same width as the bag. Then I kneel on the top corners of the orange label. I slide the d-bag under the canopy and clamp it with my knees. I fold the top half of the canopy onto my knees. Then I shove the fold into the top of the d-bag. I fold the top quarter of the canopy in to the d-bag and confirm that no fabric is trapped near the top grommet. Then I slide to the side and confirm that fabric is shoved all the way to the top of the d-bag. Finally, I grab the lines - just below the slider - and shove them into the middle of the d-bag. This technique works great when bagging shiny, new tandem mains. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #13 February 17, 2006 QuoteWhat is the fuss? It's just unnecessary. She hasn't identified the problem to be so unique as to require a different packing technique from 95% of skydivers. Maybe with 28 dives under her belt she just needs to get used to controlling the material a little better."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
L.O. 0 #14 February 17, 2006 If I am having any trouble getting my canopy in the bag, I just through it out and get a smaller canopy. That's the easy way. Just kidding, the advice here has been awesome. The answers you seek come with time and experience. I have instructed hundreds perhaps even more then a thousand. I don't keep track. When I see a lot of these people packing after they get a few jumps under their belt, They have almost always adapted my teaching to best suit there own experience and what works best for them. So, the answer is to just get all the help you can, then go make a lot of jumps. have fun with it, it's only new once and after a while, you wish for the days when things were new. Go have fun.HPDBs, I hate those guys. AFB, charter member. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #15 February 18, 2006 Quote Additionally, its recommended that you have an extended bridle attachment point in order to bring the D-bag around the side to orient it correctly. Actually, it's evidently not a requirement anymore...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #16 February 18, 2006 Congrats on getting your own rig. Psycho packing... S-folding in reverse order... this... that... or the other thing... it all pretty much boils down to pack more and you'll get better. Pratice packing sucks... its all the work and none of the fun... so I'll tell you what I tell the other newbies around the DZ... if you jump more, you'll have to pack more and the sooner you'll get better at it. Anyway, good on you for having someone you trust watch over you the first few pack-jobs. Try to find one or two folks that do it similar and stick to them having you show you. As you can see in this thread and have probably noticed around the DZ, there are a lot of different ways to do what amounts to the same thing, which can be confusing if you're learning to pack and are always having a different person show you how. Anyway... good luck and remember... jump more, you'll pack more and the sooner you'll get better at it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DJL 235 #17 February 18, 2006 The solution is ALWAYS to downsize."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gofast_ER 0 #18 February 18, 2006 whatever you do don't do what you saw me do!!! "aww its not perfect but it will PROBABLY work" yeah thats dumb i know! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ZigZagMarquis 9 #19 February 19, 2006 QuoteThe solution is ALWAYS to downsize. I'll put $20 on DJL femur-ing in! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #20 February 19, 2006 QuoteI'll put $20 on DJL femur-ing in! Cool, but femur is still not a verb. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydivermom 0 #21 February 19, 2006 What you did was NOTHING compared to what our oldest jumper (who happens to own the plane too) did. He's also a rigger....and you should have seen how he put the canopy in the bag. I seriously thought he was joking at first. The funny thing is, Rocke said it would have opened just fine I've had the priviledge of a master rigger taking me under his wing...so I KNOW I'm gonna be just fine. This guy is incredible.Mrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites firstime 0 #22 February 20, 2006 scissors..................... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jheadley 0 #23 February 20, 2006 I second the psycho pack opinion. I've got close to 1000 pack jobs, all pro packs and I'm pretty good at it. I played around with psycho packing once or twice but could never get it clean enough to actually use (I tried the way they show in that video that floats around the internet). Then yesterday I watched a guy (JmpnKramer on here) do his version of the psycho pack, and I tried it today (when the weather sucks I practice packing), and I could actually get the pack volume so small that it was actually way too small for my d-bag to use safely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Candy 0 #24 February 20, 2006 Quote Check out http://www.precision.aero/, go to the general information section & check out the precision pack. It has a video of the psycho pack. That guy makes it look easy! Maybe I'll try that. I got a brand new rig last week, I've been practicing packing (well, trying to practice packing) for the last few days.....I can't even get it into the bag. I AM SOOOOO FRUSTRATED!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydivermom 0 #25 February 20, 2006 ***scissors..................... __________________________________________________ Mrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
DJL 235 #17 February 18, 2006 The solution is ALWAYS to downsize."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gofast_ER 0 #18 February 18, 2006 whatever you do don't do what you saw me do!!! "aww its not perfect but it will PROBABLY work" yeah thats dumb i know! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #19 February 19, 2006 QuoteThe solution is ALWAYS to downsize. I'll put $20 on DJL femur-ing in! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #20 February 19, 2006 QuoteI'll put $20 on DJL femur-ing in! Cool, but femur is still not a verb. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivermom 0 #21 February 19, 2006 What you did was NOTHING compared to what our oldest jumper (who happens to own the plane too) did. He's also a rigger....and you should have seen how he put the canopy in the bag. I seriously thought he was joking at first. The funny thing is, Rocke said it would have opened just fine I've had the priviledge of a master rigger taking me under his wing...so I KNOW I'm gonna be just fine. This guy is incredible.Mrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstime 0 #22 February 20, 2006 scissors..................... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jheadley 0 #23 February 20, 2006 I second the psycho pack opinion. I've got close to 1000 pack jobs, all pro packs and I'm pretty good at it. I played around with psycho packing once or twice but could never get it clean enough to actually use (I tried the way they show in that video that floats around the internet). Then yesterday I watched a guy (JmpnKramer on here) do his version of the psycho pack, and I tried it today (when the weather sucks I practice packing), and I could actually get the pack volume so small that it was actually way too small for my d-bag to use safely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Candy 0 #24 February 20, 2006 Quote Check out http://www.precision.aero/, go to the general information section & check out the precision pack. It has a video of the psycho pack. That guy makes it look easy! Maybe I'll try that. I got a brand new rig last week, I've been practicing packing (well, trying to practice packing) for the last few days.....I can't even get it into the bag. I AM SOOOOO FRUSTRATED!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivermom 0 #25 February 20, 2006 ***scissors..................... __________________________________________________ Mrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
