waltappel 1 #1 April 10, 2006 Does anyone besides me do stall turns? I love 'em and they're a signature move for me but I never see anyone else doing them these days. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyinseivLP2 0 #2 April 10, 2006 I love them too, but I don't get to do them very often. Velocities do not react to well to that kind of input. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #3 April 10, 2006 QuoteI love them too, but I don't get to do them very often. Velocities do not react to well to that kind of input. I've wondered if anyone has ever had the balls or been dumb enough to try a stall turn on a highly-loaded high-performance canopy. Seems like it would be a really bad move, but I'm quite sure that it would make for some really impressive video! Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #4 April 10, 2006 QuoteI've wondered if anyone has ever had the balls or been dumb enough to try a stall turn on a highly-loaded high-performance canopy. Yes, both. Look for the release of 'Thread the Needle 3' in early 07' for that, and other things I'm not allowed to talk about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #5 April 10, 2006 QuoteDoes anyone besides me do stall turns? I love 'em and they're a signature move for me but I never see anyone else doing them these days. Walt *** A good percentage of the turns I do low while doing a demo are either stall or braked turns. it keeps the 'swing' on anything you're dragging to a minimum... ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #6 April 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteDoes anyone besides me do stall turns? I love 'em and they're a signature move for me but I never see anyone else doing them these days. Walt *** A good percentage of the turns I do low while doing a demo are either stall or braked turns. it keeps the 'swing' on anything you're dragging to a minimum... It's a great maneuver and I do them all the time--quite often at 400 ft. or lower, but many jumpers have never even seen that and think I'm nuts for stalling my canopy that low. I've done it as low as about 200 ft. As I recall, stall turns were described in the old para-flite canopy manuals and were considered a standard maneuver. Not anymore! I would wager that only a handful of people in the world do them on a regular basis. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TMPattersonJr 0 #7 April 10, 2006 I've done one on a Firebolt 182, needless to say after I was done kicking out the line twists (4 or 5) I didn't do that again. I used to do several under the Navigator 220 when I was on student status. I like them, their fun but wouldn't do it under any kind of "performance" canopy loaded or not. Before anyone says anything..... Yes I am a low time jumper, but I've been around the sport all of my life.Blue SkiesBlack DeathFacebook www.PLabsInc.com www.SkydiveDeLand.com www.FlyteSkool.ws Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simplyputsi 0 #8 April 10, 2006 Holy crap does that sound familiar. I was doing a flat turn that turned into a stall turn and my dumbass release a toggle faster than I should have. Line twists at about 8 hundred and I see a dive developing. Kicked out quick, but scared the shiznit out of me. A friend behind me was like what the hell was that!! I still do brake/flat turns but watch to make sure no stall occurs. Not for me.Skymama's #2 stalker - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyinseivLP2 0 #9 April 10, 2006 Your right, alot of people nowadays haven't even seen them before. When I borrow a square canopy I love to open a bit high, hold stall for about a 1000' and then do a couple stall turns at the bottom. I get people come up to me on the ground and say "what happened I thought you were going in." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #10 April 10, 2006 QuoteYour right, alot of people nowadays haven't even seen them before. When I borrow a square canopy I love to open a bit high, hold stall for about a 1000' and then do a couple stall turns at the bottom. I get people come up to me on the ground and say "what happened I thought you were going in." I used to get a lot of that. I usually do a stall turn around 400 ft. or so to turn in for landing. Most people at the DZs where I jump are used to seeing it now. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeNReN 0 #11 April 11, 2006 Never heard of a stall turn before...please describe how to do so and the canopies reaction Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #12 April 11, 2006 QuoteDoes anyone besides me do stall turns? I love 'em and they're a signature move for me but I never see anyone else doing them these days. Walt Walt, this should read: Does anyone do a stall turn 100 feet off the ground like me? "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 279 #13 April 11, 2006 I've done stall turns from time to time. - On my big old 265 ft sq. F-111, no problem. Fun to scare the newbies on the ground, and have instructors tell their students, "No that's not a mal, that's just Peter". - On a Sabre 135 at 1.25 WL: If the brakes are left set, it flies beautiful rear riser stalls. So one can do nice stall turns from the condition where the whole canopy is slightly stalled. Turns and flight are very stable and controlled. The canopy basically maintains its shape, but isn't fully inflated inside. - On an FX 88 at 1.9 WL: I've occasionally done few stall turns using rear risers with brakes set. That keeps the dynamics a little more controllable. Slow it close to the stall, stall one side to get the rotation going, and spin away. The exit back to normal flight can be a little tricky for the novice. I have to make sure to ease off slowly to give it time to reduce the rotation rate, to avoid line twists. It's not great for spectators since I've only done this stuff up high, say 3000'. A friend then started doing the same type of turns on his VX 79 but using the brakes. So there must be others out there with stall turn experience on small canopies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #14 April 11, 2006 QuoteNever heard of a stall turn before...please describe how to do so and the canopies reaction No doubt you already know what a stall is. You do a stall by pulling both toggles down simultaneously until the canopy reaches its stallpoint. When that happens, it quits flying. The canopy partially deflates and starts flying backward. When the canopy is stalled and you gently raise one toggle, that side of the canopy inflates, and you have a kind of pinwheel effect. The side of the canopy that is stalled is flying backward. The inflated side is flying forward. You are getting whipped around backwards while the canopy is pretty much turning in place. It's really cool!!!! That is a stall turn. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #15 April 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteDoes anyone besides me do stall turns? I love 'em and they're a signature move for me but I never see anyone else doing them these days. Walt Walt, this should read: Does anyone do a stall turn 100 feet off the ground like me? I only remember doing that once, but it was pretty gnarly! Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeNReN 0 #16 April 11, 2006 Cool....and TY....thats getting tried next jump(at alt of course) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #17 April 11, 2006 QuoteCool....and TY....thats getting tried next jump(at alt of course) Woohoo!!!! If you haven't done many stalls before, be aware that it is a *very* different feeling. When the canopy first stalls, it can be unnerving. Some 9-cells have a very sudden and forceful stall and can make you feel almost like you are going into a back layout. If you feel that way, trust me--that's the *worst* part. Just hold the toggles down and the stall will reach a steady state in a few moments. You may find the canopy turning while stalled. you can counter-steer with *tiny* toggle movements and by shifting your weight in the harness. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #18 April 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteCool....and TY....thats getting tried next jump(at alt of course) Woohoo!!!! If you haven't done many stalls before, be aware that it is a *very* different feeling. When the canopy first stalls, it can be unnerving. Some 9-cells have a very sudden and forceful stall and can make you feel almost like you are going into a back layout. If you feel that way, trust me--that's the *worst* part. Just hold the toggles down and the stall will reach a steady state in a few moments. You may find the canopy turning while stalled. you can counter-steer with *tiny* toggle movements and by shifting your weight in the harness. Walt *** THIS should be good...! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #19 April 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteCool....and TY....thats getting tried next jump(at alt of course) Woohoo!!!! If you haven't done many stalls before, be aware that it is a *very* different feeling. When the canopy first stalls, it can be unnerving. Some 9-cells have a very sudden and forceful stall and can make you feel almost like you are going into a back layout. If you feel that way, trust me--that's the *worst* part. Just hold the toggles down and the stall will reach a steady state in a few moments. You may find the canopy turning while stalled. you can counter-steer with *tiny* toggle movements and by shifting your weight in the harness. Walt *** THIS should be good...! Learning stalls is indeed funny!!!! Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeNReN 0 #20 April 11, 2006 Now now guys.....I am not stupid...just a idiot I complained to one of my instructors about how sluggish the manta's were one day.....he replied (tongue in cheek) well try putting a toggle on ure foot................weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I love my canopy and am still learning big time....I always practice flat turns...frt and rear riser turns/sprials etc.....but have only stalled my Tri a few times....learning the stall point is high on my list this season....and stall turns sound damn fun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #21 April 11, 2006 QuoteI am not stupid...just a idiot *** I don't think you're either! You are asking questions and taking it slow... you'll be around for a long time! Walt just has a knack of explaining things in such an entertaining manner! He does it correct, competent and complete....it's just entertaining TOO! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #22 April 11, 2006 QuoteWoohoo!!!! If you haven't done many stalls before, be aware that it is a *very* different feeling. When the canopy first stalls, it can be unnerving. Some 9-cells have a very sudden and forceful stall and can make you feel almost like you are going into a back layout. If you feel that way, trust me--that's the *worst* part. Just hold the toggles down and the stall will reach a steady state in a few moments. You may find the canopy turning while stalled. you can counter-steer with *tiny* toggle movements and by shifting your weight in the harness. If this has not been said yet..... DO THEM VERY HIGH UNTIL YOU KNOW HOW YOUR CANOPY WILL REACT!!!!!!!!!!!! Some canopies will mal when you do this. Back to your regular programming now."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #23 April 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteI love them too, but I don't get to do them very often. Velocities do not react to well to that kind of input. I've wondered if anyone has ever had the balls or been dumb enough to try a stall turn on a highly-loaded high-performance canopy. Seems like it would be a really bad move, but I'm quite sure that it would make for some really impressive video! Walt I stall my Xaos's all the time. Andy Farrington and Jeffro have some damn good stall tricks with their's. It's not all that hard to keep the stall controled as long as you make sure to NOT let the canopy surge.... Edit: Rarely do I use toggles. Mostly risers.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #24 April 11, 2006 Some canopies will mal when you do this. *** Errr....should read, some jumpers will mal their canopy when they do this. It's easier to cause said mal on a high performance canopy.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JENNR8R 0 #25 April 11, 2006 It's a great maneuver and I do them all the time--quite often at 400 ft. or lower, but many jumpers have never even seen that and think I'm nuts for stalling my canopy that low. I've done it as low as about 200 ft. It hasn't happened until you post a video on Skydivingmovies for us to see...What do you call a beautiful, sunny day that comes after two cloudy, rainy ones? -- Monday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
