JohnRich 4 #26 April 27, 2006 Quote>Has USPA revoked his membership, or moving to do so? I'm not sure that makes any sense. Would USPA revoke the membership of a private pilot who flew through a DZ and came very close to some jumpers? (assuming he was a USPA member of course.) I think the USPA has a vested interest in safe rigging and tandem instructors, even though they don't issue the certifications themselves. If a pilot committed several intentional unsafe acts, causing the FAA to revoke his license, I would think an organization like AOPA would want to revoke his membership too. To maintain a positive image, you don't want to be associated with such individuals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #27 April 28, 2006 QuoteHas USPA revoked his membership, or moving to do so? The applicable section of the Governance Manual is Sec 1-6.4.B.6 Any USPA member shall be guilty of an offense justifying the imposition of the penalties set forth in USPA Governance Manual Section 1-6.4.C (below) who— 6. Willfully falsifies any document, certificate, or record connected with or relating to skydiving. See also SIM 2-1.B.1 B. COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL REGULATIONS [NW] 1. No skydive may be made in violation of Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regulations. I know that both RDs know about this situation. The jumper lives in the Central region and jumps in the North Central region. Neither RD will talk to you about this in accordance with Gov. Manual 1-6.5.F.2 2. To protect a member who is wrongly accused and to protect the rights of all persons affected, the regional director will refrain from discussing any matter relating to the alleged offense with any person not a party to the action and shall express no opinion nor make any statement concerning the facts brought to his attention except as specifically provided in Governance Manual Section 1-6. .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packerboy 3 #28 April 28, 2006 Sounds like the folks who got the pencil packs were probably safer off than actually getting the pack job... -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #29 April 28, 2006 QuoteSounds like the folks who got the pencil packs were probably safer off than actually getting the pack job... ... uneless he pencil packed one of his own questionable pack-jobs... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Praetorian 1 #30 April 28, 2006 I'm one of the wronged, I cannot express in words the level of betrayal I'm feeling... if you have a rig packed by John, get it repacked NOW, I'm too pissed to risk further comment in a public forum, if you NEED more (no just for curiousity) please PM me Good Judgment comes from experience...a lot of experience comes from bad judgment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoochie 0 #31 April 29, 2006 FAA Rigger Decision Update The FAA’s legal dept is still crossing their T’s and dotting their I’s so we don’t have a formal letter yet. They are working with USPA and will send notices out to DZ’s with pertinent info. As for now, John Lindstrom’s rigging privileges have been revoked, and he is no longer staff at our DZ. Some AAD’s were improperly installed. SSK wants any unit whose cutting cable has greater than a 90-degree bend to be sent in for inspection. This is not something you can inspect yourself so please have your rigger inspect everything carefully. The dust still hasn’t settled so forgive me for having to be vague. Tim ‘Hoochie’ Hajewski President. Board of Directors, Sky Knights SPC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NelKel 0 #32 April 29, 2006 Good Judgment comes from experience...a lot of experience comes from bad judgment.<<< Says it all right there dude. I hate to be the one with the wake up but skydivers CAN be some of the lowest slimmest creatures on earth, yet other or really friendly and will do anything for you. SO heads up! Know your enemy_________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #33 April 29, 2006 QuoteSome AAD’s were improperly installed. SSK wants any unit whose cutting cable has greater than a 90-degree bend to be sent in for inspection. This is not something you can inspect yourself so please have your rigger inspect everything carefully. I recently removed a Cypres with 2 180-bends in both the cables. The excess cable was stowed in the channel on the back pad with no excess stowed in the cypres pouch per the manual. Is this the type of installation in question and the bends that SSK wants to inspect? Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #34 April 29, 2006 I have seen an SSK rigger stow extra in the channel after the pouch was full, but it was only a small amount, call SSK and talk to Eric Camble, he is the one I have seen do it. ~you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #35 April 30, 2006 A few rigs (i.e. Talon 2, Telesis 2, Genera) have extra pockets sewn into the pack tray specifically for stowing excess Cypres cable. Back when Cypres started making replaceable cutters and short pockets, it became damn near impossible to stow all the cable in that tiny pocket, so Airtec sent out some extra padded pockets. I suggested - to Sandy Reid - that it would be simpler to skip a stitch row inside the Genera reserve container to serve the same function. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jhgoswitz 0 #36 May 3, 2006 Official letter received by USPA today from the FAA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #37 May 3, 2006 Not that I care but the sig. on that letter does not match the name. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #38 May 3, 2006 QuoteNot that I care but the sig. on that letter does not match the name. . There's a little "for" next to the name. Someone who works for the guy who has his name on the letter signed on his behalf. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,446 #39 May 3, 2006 Just FYI, that is common practice in both the US gov't and the US military. Just a little trivia for you, Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #40 May 3, 2006 You would think the government could afford a stamp. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eule 0 #41 May 3, 2006 QuoteOfficial letter received by USPA today from the FAA. Same document, saved as PDF for better interoperability. Eule (You'd also think the government could go straight to PDF instead of printing out and scanning back in, but there you go.)PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #42 May 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteOfficial letter received by USPA today from the FAA. Same document, saved as PDF for better interoperability. Eule (You'd also think the government could go straight to PDF instead of printing out and scanning back in, but there you go.) What makes you think the "government" printed and scanned. The poster said it was a copy of a letter recieved by USPA. You think maybe it was sent by USPS? Main Entry: in·ter·op·er·a·bil·i·ty Pronunciation: "in-t&-"rä-p(&-)r&-'bi-l&-tE Function: noun : ability of a system (as a weapons system) to use the parts or equipment of another system Do you think that one little letter is part of a Weapons system? Word works just fine for most people.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #43 May 3, 2006 What I want to know is where are all the pencil packing fans we had about a month ago in rigger robs thread. As I recall there were many posters who thought it was no big deal, so what is all the fuss about with this rigger doing it anyway? Pencil packing is a great thing and sloppy rigging is too.~you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #44 May 3, 2006 A reminder that the thread to which you are referring was posted on April 1st. Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #45 May 3, 2006 I know but I could help it. ~you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #46 May 3, 2006 Joking or not, the important distinction to make here is that he was signing and sealing a rig previously packed by another rigger. Presumably a rig he had no knowledge of it's care or use before it was brought to him. A jumper signing the last riggers name on their own card - not so bad, provided they know how to care for their gear, and it had been treated well in the last 120 days. A rigger signing his own card on his own rig - also not a problem. A rigger signing and sealing a rig which might be mis-rigged, mis-treated, or otherwise damaged before coming into his care - just plain fucked up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #47 May 3, 2006 I agree with you to a point, I 'm not a fan of pencil packing any rig for reasons like some one tampering with a rig, it has happened before, it has happened to my rig and to my wifes rig, I am a rigger and can pencil our rigs anytime I want to, but I don't do that, I might open it up and make sure the risers have not been cut and the pack job still looks good and close it, but I don't just whip it and go on. I know other riggers who have done and do the same thing this guy was nailed for, that is why I think it is funny when people would sign their cards and trust there is nothing wrong from before, seen many fuck up's found at the next repack. But hey everyone can do as they please, you won't see it on my back, I don't jump borrowed gear. ~you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Praetorian 1 #48 May 3, 2006 all fun and games aside, my rig was inspected, they found the pack job of the rigger who assembeled my gear 2 years ago, Jon "pencil packed" my rig 3 times the first and third of these "repacks" were my spring repack after a lay off through winter. they also found my freshly 8year checked cypres mis-installed and potentially damaged. Anyone who tells me this is no big deal can KISS MY.... (wow I am still pissed off!) the big deal here is someone bet my life on their lazyness, took my money and gave me their word on a service I am not qualified to do... rigging is something I'm not interiested in, but after this I might have to get my riggers ticket just to trust my reserve pack job ! what sucks is I'm not good at sewing, have no real interiset in rigging and am not sure I've got the time to remain current at being a rigger, so in the long run I may know my reserve was repacked but I doubt my pack job would be as good as most if not all dedicated (honorable honest) riggers. Not a fun place/mindset to be in. Good Judgment comes from experience...a lot of experience comes from bad judgment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #49 May 4, 2006 Quotewow I am still pissed off!) You should be ! Quoteall fun and games aside I don't see anything funny about it, nor do I agree with people who turn a blind eye to this kind of crap. QuoteI might have to get my riggers ticket just to trust my reserve pack job Not a bad idea, why do think I have a ticket, it's not so I can become rich. I hope you can find someone new you trust. ~you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #50 May 4, 2006 Quote..A jumper signing the last riggers name on their own card - not so bad, provided they know how to care for their gear, and it had been treated well in the last 120 days. Bad, bad, Dave....I'm sure you would be quite happy if somebody falsified your name on a reserve pack. Yeah, you know the one...the one that had the major mistake in it or the one that was tampered with unbeknownst to the jumper...My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
