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QuoteThe Cessna Caravan, C-208, also was designed for, and came from the factory certified for, flight with the door off for skydiving operations. I've been told the manual has a section on using the plane for jump operations.
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Quotebut I have been in it a few times when it has stalled - Stall is very mushy and tends to roll around a bit. All those people at the back tend to block the wind to the tail = not good.
Its good fun and relatively fast. When you get those chunks leaving you will tend to hit the roof but at least it means you get to have a longer dive going out last.
Interesting. Thanks for the report.
Anything else that you've noticed with this aircraft, safety-wise?
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The one we have here has a recessed step, this means that with any outward facing exits it can be a real bastard (read impossible) to do some of those exits. You still can exit from inside wel enough as the door is fairly large.
For 8's and bigger (especially if people are taking there sweet time) it really helps the pilot to load up the nose as much as possible.
For the camera flyers - have not had much experience but the step and handles (its the big long rail that is just right) are fantastic. Might want to watch popping those wings as I saw a w/s jumper almost hit the wing when he inflated the wings prematurely.
The plane climbs quicker than the cresco (cleaner body) with the same load.
For 8's and bigger (especially if people are taking there sweet time) it really helps the pilot to load up the nose as much as possible.
For the camera flyers - have not had much experience but the step and handles (its the big long rail that is just right) are fantastic. Might want to watch popping those wings as I saw a w/s jumper almost hit the wing when he inflated the wings prematurely.
The plane climbs quicker than the cresco (cleaner body) with the same load.
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QuoteFor the camera flyers - have not had much experience but the step and handles (its the big long rail that is just right) are fantastic. Might want to watch popping those wings as I saw a w/s jumper almost hit the wing when he inflated the wings prematurely.
Dang! Thanks for the info. Guess exits like "O", "M", and "13" are out for a 4-way team! These inherently come out flat and a cameraflyer (who leads the exit) has to pop UP and BACK to show the formation correctly. This would definitely come in close proximity to the tail.
ltdiver
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QuoteDang! Thanks for the info. Guess exits like "O", "M", and "13" are out for a 4-way team! These inherently come out flat and a cameraflyer (who leads the exit) has to pop UP and BACK to show the formation correctly. This would definitely come in close proximity to the tail.
I doubt it. Teams have been doing exits like those from Caravans and Beach 99's for ages. No problem for a cameraflyer familiar with the A/C.
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I -think- she was referring to the way the 4-way teams normally train for a Twin Otter exit. Obviously the camera flyer could/should/would adapt by probably doing a bit of a peel or maybe 3 O'Clock type of exit.
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And there you have it. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me for either teams or video to get pigeon-holed into thinking there is only one way to do something. It was not too long ago at all that we all used to have to switch from left to right door exits on a pretty regular basis at meets depending on what the DZ had on its flightline. Back then it was QueenAirs and Twin Bonanzas. While these days it's a pretty good bet your league is jumping an otter, all bets are off when it comes to international competition.
Chuck
Chuck
ltdiver 3
QuoteQuoteDang! Thanks for the info. Guess exits like "O", "M", and "13" are out for a 4-way team! These inherently come out flat and a cameraflyer (who leads the exit) has to pop UP and BACK to show the formation correctly. This would definitely come in close proximity to the tail.
I doubt it. Teams have been doing exits like those from Caravans and Beach 99's for ages. No problem for a cameraflyer familiar with the A/C.
Yep. That's why I put in parenthesis "lead the exit", so you would understand what I was saying.
Now, having a bit more understanding from a first person point of view on the airplane in question, it makes it a bit more unattractive for those DZ's who are looking for a plane that is versatile enough to handle big-ways and competition training on a regular and safe basis.
Why get the PAC XL750 (or a KingAir,or a Caravan, or a Beech) when you can get an Otter? (if you have the money to spend, that is).
Heck, they used to do competition 4-way out of a C-182! I'm sure glad they upgraded these days! (makes for great video to see just how they had to do it, though).
ltdiver
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QuoteWhy get the PAC XL750 (or a KingAir,or a Caravan, or a Beech) when you can get an Otter? (if you have the money to spend, that is).
cause the plane is brand new and has a single turbine. Otters are not manufactured anymore.
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QuoteAnd there you have it. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me for either teams or video to get pigeon-holed into thinking there is only one way to do something. It was not too long ago at all that we all used to have to switch from left to right door exits on a pretty regular basis at meets depending on what the DZ had on its flightline. Back then it was QueenAirs and Twin Bonanzas. While these days it's a pretty good bet your league is jumping an otter, all bets are off when it comes to international competition.
Chuck
Chuck,
Sorry that you didn't have the time to go back and pick up where other threads left off in this discussion. I was referring back to those people, in those threads, who vehemently denied that there would be NO problem with the PAC XL750's horizontal stabilizer if a cameraflyer exited in the exact same manner as an Otter exit.
There were those of us who looked at the web site promoting this plane and queried on the tail's location and saftey for the cameraflyer's position. We were waiting to hear a first-hand report from those who actually DO jump from this plane. We got it yesterday.
Seems that those of us with a concern were correct. Yes, you CAN exit the PAC like a Caravan or Beech. We never said you couldn't. We were trying to understand why there were those who claimed you -could- like an Otter. Up and Back. Seems that they were wrong.
That is the message of my post above. Sorry you misunderstood.
ltdiver
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Door is basically the same as a Caravan.
5 Floaters - Can get interesting at normal jump run speeds and you need to be quick about the builds.
I am not a pilot (note the technical terms
Its good fun and relatively fast. When you get those chunks leaving you will tend to hit the roof but at least it means you get to have a longer dive going out last.
"In our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart and in our despair, against our will comes wisdom" - Aeschylus
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