Fatigue

[adventurechick 0]

Today I made only one jump due to the winds picking up... and I did a high altitude hop n' pop... ended up having a looonngg walk back, and packed. I feel like I am about to crash like no other. Do high altitude hop n' pops fatigue people more so than normal skydives??

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[wildman2231 0]

did my lvl 9 today, I want to do my high solo as a high pop. Tell you next week!

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[Rookie120 0]

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Do high altitude hop n' pops fatigue people more so than normal skydives??

Depends on what kind of shape you are in. I do know when I first moved to Colorado and did some jumps there I was really winded on the ride up and was whipped after 3 jumps. Lack of o2 is wierd and really depends on the person. I could be ready to pass out and the guy next to me is fine. It might be you just had a long week and that one jump was all it needed to tell you that it's time for some sleepy time.

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[slug 1]

Hi

Not a CRW dog but the Long walk back, in 90 degree temp, carrying rig could be part of the problem.

What altitude was your H&P and were you sitting in the saddle or hanging in the harness?.

R.I.P.

[adventurechick 0]

I pulled around 12,800 feet... then flew it down, I was up there for quite awhie, because I am not loading my canopy all that much. But crazy tired I am.

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[packerboy 3]

Did you unstow your brakes and fly your canopy with your toggles the whole way? That can really tire you out. I have done a few high h&p's and I find the best thing to do is leave your brakes stowed and tug on a riser every once and a while to get you going in the right direction.

If you do unstow your brakes, you can hook your thumbs in your legstraps to stay up longer. I have been up for more than 20 minutes from 11,500ft that way. I also held my toggles with my foot for a bit...

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[shropshire 0]

20 mins pah - but you're right it is tireing...

But on my paraglider, I'm regularly in the air for over an hour (my longest was 4 hours) and you need to fly actively (especially close to other people and terrain).

When safe to do so, I often put both controls in 1 hand and shake out the other, to get the blood flowing again or to get some drink.

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[ntrprnr 0]

Let us not forget that adrenalyn tires us the hell out - fast! I sleep better when I've jumped than any other time at all.

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[squirrel 0]

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Today I made only one jump due to the winds picking up... and I did a high altitude hop n' pop... ended up having a looonngg walk back, and packed. I feel like I am about to crash like no other. Do high altitude hop n' pops fatigue people more so than normal skydives??

i bet it was the walk back, tugging along that deployed parachute. jump with a pull up cord and pack in the field, then your rig is like a back pack...easy to carry.

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[AggieDave 6]

I do altitude clear and pulls very very frequently. They don't tire me out, I rather enjoy them actually. I'll unstow my brakes immediately and start flying my canopy. Doing maneuvers with the toggles, front risers, rear risers and sometimes a bit of everything else in between.

To me it energizes me, makes me want more and more canopy flight.

To me it sounds like that long walk back got the best of you. Maybe you haven't had enough good fluids in the heat and maybe you hadn't eaten lunch. Both of which will zap your energy QUICK in 90F heat.

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[shropshire 0]

Same here... and it's really good sleep too... not the sort that you get when just tired at work... It feels really good, doesn't it?

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[za_skydiver 0]

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Let us not forget that adrenalyn tires us the hell out - fast! I sleep better when I've jumped than any other time at all.

I can attest to that! Yesterday was the first jump in 6 years and last night it was the best nights sleep ive had in, well, years!

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[agent_lead 0]

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Did you unstow your brakes and fly your canopy with your toggles the whole way? That can really tire you out. I have done a few high h&p's and I find the best thing to do is leave your brakes stowed and tug on a riser every once and a while to get you going in the right direction.

just make sure you unstow those toggles above your decision altitude...you dont wanna be coming in on final and realize your brakeline is caught up on somthing

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[bob.dino 1]

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Do high altitude hop n' pops fatigue people more so than normal skydives??

Yup - you're in the air for a long time, holding your hands above your head.

However, I'd bet it was the long walk back in the heat (maybe combined with a little dehydration?) that got ya.

[adventurechick 0]

I did unstow my brakes so I could practice turns and what not, I was flying it the whole way down....

Something really doesn't feel right though, I've been getting dizzy spells all day today. This is just weird.

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[AFFI 0]

Did you let the pilot know you were deploying high and did make this jump by yourself?

It is best to make high altitude clear and pulls with a buddy in the event of an off DZ landing your buddy can land with you in case there is an injury.

[adventurechick 0]

I did tell the pilot... which is why I went after the tandems. It was a solo jump, the only other people jumping were students, tandems, and tandem instructors... not many fun jumpers were around that day.

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[ChrisL 2]

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I find the best thing to do is leave your brakes stowed and tug on a riser every once and a while to get you going in the right direction.

My first order of business after opening on every jump is a controllability check. How can you do this with your brakes stowed?

I dont think its a good idea to to leave brakes stowed.

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[Fast 0]

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I find the best thing to do is leave your brakes stowed and tug on a riser every once and a while to get you going in the right direction.

My first order of business after opening on every jump is a controllability check. How can you do this with your brakes stowed?

I dont think its a good idea to to leave brakes stowed.

You can do a controlabilty check with your rear risers. You can also take the time to look up and see if everything looks in place. If the canopy is flying and you can do turns and flares with your rears there is no need to unstow your brakes. Just make sure you do it before your decision altitude and with enough time to do a second controlability check.

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[ChrisL 2]

You would advise jumpers with only 38 jumps that its OK to leave your brakes stowed?

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[kelpdiver 2]

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You would advise jumpers with only 38 jumps that its OK to leave your brakes stowed?

If they're ok freefalling to 4k with their brakes stowed before doing a check, what's the harm in canopy flight down to 4k before unstowing them? 15 minutes in the upper altitudes is colder than you're used to, and I know I've let go of the toggles, which really has some risks to it.

[shropshire 0]

I'd not advocate letting them go and you dont need to... hold both in one hand... shake out the other.. swap & repeat.

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[mdrejhon 8]

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Today I made only one jump due to the winds picking up... and I did a high altitude hop n' pop... ended up having a looonngg walk back, and packed. I feel like I am about to crash like no other. Do high altitude hop n' pops fatigue people more so than normal skydives??

I felt fatigued after doing TWO high altitude hop n pops (12500 feet for both) in one day.

Doing one is fine, and I recover quick, but doing two in one day. Man!

[Fast 0]

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You would advise jumpers with only 38 jumps that its OK to leave your brakes stowed?

If they're ok freefalling to 4k with their brakes stowed before doing a check, what's the harm in canopy flight down to 4k before unstowing them? 15 minutes in the upper altitudes is colder than you're used to, and I know I've let go of the toggles, which really has some risks to it.

Sure why not?

Everyone should learn how to fly around with rears while your brakes are stowed it feels/responds different. It can also save your life! The fastest way to avoid an impending collision after your canopy first opens is to take evasive action with your rear risers. It helps to know how to do that and understand how the canopy will respond. It's faster than grabing the toggles (something I would advise should be done with care) unstowing them, and then turning. I think unstowing your brakes should be done with care. Just this last weekend one jumper at my DZ grabbed his toggles in a way that tied a knot in the excess brake line (which was stowed in accordance with manufacturer recomendations). If you have to do that fast in the event of an oncoming canopy, it would sure suck to have problems. Therefor I recomend knowing how the canopy flys with the brakes stowed. I think there might be some uspa recomendation for this too!

As to why you would want to leave them stowed on any particular jump thats up to the person. most people when doing a high altitude hop'n'pop are doing so to practice flying around or do crw or something. I leave mine stowed down to 4k when I do cross country jumps because its a pain to hold that long.

Leaving your brakes stowed doesn't mean you can just sit there and not pay attention. Fly around on the rears some its a whole nother experience. I would suggest unstowing your brakes no lower than your normal pull altitude. If you stay heads up and keep your hands at the ready to stear with your rear risers (and practice it some!) there aren't any major added risks to doing this.

Now if for some reason you are uncapable of stearing with your rear risers then I would not suggest flying around with your brakes stowed.

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Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

[adventurechick 0]

I tried playing with my rear risers, and I could barely get them to turn... so I like flying with my toggles... even though it wore me out, I am not that skilled with the rear riser deal.

PMS #449 TPM #80 Muff Brother #3860
SCR #14705 Dirty Sanchez #233