Andy_Copland 0 #1 June 4, 2006 My pro track says i average 106mph. I have averaged 116 but i still wanted to speed it up. I decided to tuck my elbows in and put my legs closer together, i was amazed at the differance. On my first attempt i was 120 through the first half of the jump and 130mph through the second (after correcting what i felt needed correcting. I even managed 142 at some point which i was really happy about. But what does worry me is i noticed i was tracking during it and didnt want to be, any tips to stop the track?1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #2 June 4, 2006 Erm, pull your legs up onto your bum more? Don't worry mate, when we are in that wind tunnel you'll know 100% what works for you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #3 June 4, 2006 Scoop what did i tell you about thinking about my arse?1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sockpuppet 0 #4 June 4, 2006 Have you tried greasing yourself up? I think next weeked you should march upto the DZ with a truck load of vasoline and announce that you wish to be greased up. ------ Two of the three voices in my head agree with you. It might actually be unanimous but voice three only speaks Welsh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doorgirl 0 #5 June 5, 2006 Or get greased the other way. Order 2 value meals from any fast food restaurant for each meal and your fall rate will speed up real quick! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #6 June 5, 2006 Drink a gal of water when you get t the DZ and don't pee until after the jump The extra seven pounds will temp. help your fall rate (no calories) and you'll want to get to the ground asap so you don't pee your pants. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #7 June 5, 2006 I decided to tuck my elbows in and put my legs closer together, i was amazed at the differance. On my first attempt i was 120 through the first half of the jump and 130mph through the second (after correcting what i felt needed correcting. I even managed 142 at some point which i was really happy about. Quote as you gain experience your fall rate is naturally going to increase, right now your body position is very large to help you stay stable, as you get better your position will tighten up and you'll naturally pick it up. i had probably around a 120 average when i started and now when i do four way i push 145+ my two way drill dives are getting close to 170, on my belly. that's good that you're focusing on improving your fall rate control but that's something that will come with experience, just give it time, and keep on jumpin!History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #8 June 5, 2006 QuoteI decided to tuck my elbows in and put my legs closer together, i was amazed at the differance. On my first attempt i was 120 through the first half of the jump and 130mph through the second (after correcting what i felt needed correcting. I even managed 142 at some point which i was really happy about. Quote as you gain experience your fall rate is naturally going to increase, right now your body position is very large to help you stay stable, as you get better your position will tighten up and you'll naturally pick it up. i had probably around a 120 average when i started and now when i do four way i push 145+ my two way drill dives are getting close to 170, on my belly. that's good that you're focusing on improving your fall rate control but that's something that will come with experience, just give it time, and keep on jumpin! Why exactly would you want to go 170 on your belly? I fail even to see any value in going 145 on a 4-way.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TrickyDicky 0 #9 June 5, 2006 Just what I was thinking. Yes I know teams are now all about fast is better, but I thought the top flight were normally averaging only around 130? Are you doing your 4 way with 3 phantom slots GQ? UK Skydiver for all your UK skydiving needs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #10 June 5, 2006 GQ has learned to fall fast in order to get to the bevy of women waiting for him on the ground....lucky bastard. Andy, GQ does have a point about experience, though. I would add: 1. Try a tighter jumpsuit? 2. Tunnel time to get the tracking out of it 3. Can you say ARCH! 4. Learn mantiss 5. Weight belt?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #11 June 5, 2006 QuoteWhy exactly would you want to go 170 on your belly? Its handy for some more complicated hybrids. I've done a few no-hanger hybrids that way.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brianfry713 0 #12 June 5, 2006 Dress for success. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #13 June 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhy exactly would you want to go 170 on your belly? Its handy for some more complicated hybrids. I've done a few no-hanger hybrids that way. OK, but I don't think he was referring to hybrids.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #14 June 5, 2006 Quote OK, but I don't think he was referring to hybrids. I realize that, but I wasn't answering his question, I was answering your question. Its nice to be able to do a very high speed on my belly, but I can still get down to the 110 range.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #15 June 5, 2006 QuoteI realize that, but I wasn't answering his question, I was answering your question. But the thread isn't about John's question.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #16 June 5, 2006 So what was the question? Oh yeah... Legs in, Andy! My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #17 June 6, 2006 GQ has learned to fall fast in order to get to the bevy of women waiting for him on the ground....lucky bastard. Quote finally someone who understands what it's like to be me To answer the question asked by Kallend though, when I was doing those jumps that were hitting those kinds of speeds, it's not like I was intentionally trying to, my buddy and I did about 100 two ways together last summer and everytime we jumped the fall rate just picked up. The amount of speed and power we could move with at that speed, especially considering both of us had less than 200 jumps was impressive. As for four ways, I'm notorious for getting that fall rate cranked up, and a lot of the people I jump with can keep up, being in Colorado obviously helps as well, but even when I'm in the tunnel down in Eloy with Airspeed it feels like i'm punching it out just as much as any of my two ways back home. Kirk Verner will tell you himself he is a fall rate nazi, he only knows one speed and that's fast, and the majority of my coaching is from him so I've picked up the same traits. Plus you can't argue that a fast fall rate will help you on those blocks with vertical moves.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #18 June 6, 2006 jus a add a little something to what i posted, i've never claimed to be an expert at this game by any means, but while Colorado was frozen over this winter I hung up my rig and used my money to travel down to eloy every month and play in the tunnel with the AS crew, when I did a some 3 on 1 with em we had that air really crankin in there and all the moves just felt so much better than when I fall with slower people. I've also picked their brains for knowledge as much as humanly possible without doing the vulcan mind meld, and i'll bet if you asked they will all agree that there is no such thing as too fast when it comes to fall rate.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #19 June 6, 2006 ...but when Solly Williams was in Australia last year he said that Majik (and Airspeed if I remember correctly) were flying at sub-115mph speeds... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sd-slider 0 #20 June 6, 2006 QuoteMy pro track says i average 106mph . Can I borrow your Pro-Track? . . Anvil Brother #69 Sidelined with a 5mm C5-C6 herniated disk... Back2Back slammers and 40yr old fat guys don't mix! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #21 June 6, 2006 ...but when Solly Williams was in Australia last year he said that Majik (and Airspeed if I remember correctly) were flying at sub-115mph speeds... Quote I've got some more coaching with them this week, let me ask what they usually push in competition and get back to ya. Before I was just saying that when I'm doing 4 way in the tunnel with them I'm punchin it out pretty hard, much harder than I would be if I were only doin 115 in the sky. I know that sometimes when you really start crankin out points remembering the dive is the first thing in your mind, not thinking about arching harder so the fall rate tends to naturally slow down as you get focused more and more on the dive, so who knows maybe they do average around that at the bottom end of the dives, like I said, I'm far from being an expert at this game, but I have tried doing the vertical on a 17 with a slow fall rate, AND IT SUX!! fast be good!History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #22 June 6, 2006 QuoteBefore I was just saying that when I'm doing 4 way in the tunnel with them I'm punchin it out pretty hard, much harder than I would be if I were only doin 115 in the sky. Umm, you do know you're not usually wearing 8-10kg of rig in the tunnel? In my very limited tunnel experience I was arching much harder than I ever have in the sky. Quote...I have tried doing the vertical on a 17 with a slow fall rate, AND IT SUX!! fast be good! If you have IC going over, and OC as the centre of the compress, then good work getting down & out by the OC will make the IC's job easy at pretty much any fall rate. That said, you need a fall-rate which puts you in the middle of your range - if you're struggling to slow enough to build the top of the block, there's no way in hell you'll get the 'pop' you need to scoot on over. And I ain't no expert on this either, but that's been my experience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #23 June 6, 2006 Quote fall rate nazi RW is all about deflective momentum. The force available to you in the plane of the skydive varies with the square of the airspeed. For the same amount of body deflection, the faster you're falling, the more force is going to be available for translation and rotation. The limiting step here is the slowest person in the group. They must keep a comfortable box in order to be effective at RW.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites damion75 0 #24 June 6, 2006 Quote...but when Solly Williams was in Australia last year he said that Majik (and Airspeed if I remember correctly) were flying at sub-115mph speeds... That's what he told us last year - my team sit at around the 115-117 mph mark. 140? That would require a lot more burgers! *************** Not one shred of evidence supports the theory that life is serious - look at the platypus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #25 June 6, 2006 QuoteI decided to tuck my elbows in and put my legs closer together, i was amazed at the differance. Congratulations. You decided to present less body area rather than just try to arch 'EVEN HARDER'. This is a huge lesson than many never find, or if they are told to won't acknowledge. Your fall rate range has increased dramatically. Also, bringing your knees together will help you arch better through the hips which also helps with getting more top and bottom end range. Let the inside grippers just come in contact - try flying that way for a weekend. To keep from driving forward, do the natural things: bends the knees even more, continue to arch more through the hips and less through the chest, lift your head higher, put the hands a bit forward (but still keep the elbows narrow). If you go to the tunnel with some good coaches, you'll figure it all out VERY quickly. {{Since you said "tracking" and not just moving forward, you are likely dearching a little bit and not really arching through your hips - thus in a dive, so your fallrate increase could be more from a dive - be aware of what your legs are really doing - kness together, press the hips down, feet on butt. But you have the right idea in your head.}} More - I described the lower body, forgot the upper: Bring the elbows in to touch your rib cage, then, with all ten of your fingers touching your collarbones, point straight up with your forefingers and 'look' up to where you're pointing (obviously you should look, or else why would you be pointing there?) If you can't look up enough, then consider putting your hands out (in front, still very close together) a bit so you can lift your head more with your lower back muscles. Your torso blocks so much air, so the goal is to put the arms so they don't block any 'extra' air. That mean narrow, the rest you get with lifting the head up high - chin up, lift the skull high. (it's a mantis thing) ... 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kallend 2,148 #8 June 5, 2006 QuoteI decided to tuck my elbows in and put my legs closer together, i was amazed at the differance. On my first attempt i was 120 through the first half of the jump and 130mph through the second (after correcting what i felt needed correcting. I even managed 142 at some point which i was really happy about. Quote as you gain experience your fall rate is naturally going to increase, right now your body position is very large to help you stay stable, as you get better your position will tighten up and you'll naturally pick it up. i had probably around a 120 average when i started and now when i do four way i push 145+ my two way drill dives are getting close to 170, on my belly. that's good that you're focusing on improving your fall rate control but that's something that will come with experience, just give it time, and keep on jumpin! Why exactly would you want to go 170 on your belly? I fail even to see any value in going 145 on a 4-way.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TrickyDicky 0 #9 June 5, 2006 Just what I was thinking. Yes I know teams are now all about fast is better, but I thought the top flight were normally averaging only around 130? Are you doing your 4 way with 3 phantom slots GQ? UK Skydiver for all your UK skydiving needs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #10 June 5, 2006 GQ has learned to fall fast in order to get to the bevy of women waiting for him on the ground....lucky bastard. Andy, GQ does have a point about experience, though. I would add: 1. Try a tighter jumpsuit? 2. Tunnel time to get the tracking out of it 3. Can you say ARCH! 4. Learn mantiss 5. Weight belt?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #11 June 5, 2006 QuoteWhy exactly would you want to go 170 on your belly? Its handy for some more complicated hybrids. I've done a few no-hanger hybrids that way.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brianfry713 0 #12 June 5, 2006 Dress for success. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #13 June 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhy exactly would you want to go 170 on your belly? Its handy for some more complicated hybrids. I've done a few no-hanger hybrids that way. OK, but I don't think he was referring to hybrids.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #14 June 5, 2006 Quote OK, but I don't think he was referring to hybrids. I realize that, but I wasn't answering his question, I was answering your question. Its nice to be able to do a very high speed on my belly, but I can still get down to the 110 range.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #15 June 5, 2006 QuoteI realize that, but I wasn't answering his question, I was answering your question. But the thread isn't about John's question.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #16 June 5, 2006 So what was the question? Oh yeah... Legs in, Andy! My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #17 June 6, 2006 GQ has learned to fall fast in order to get to the bevy of women waiting for him on the ground....lucky bastard. Quote finally someone who understands what it's like to be me To answer the question asked by Kallend though, when I was doing those jumps that were hitting those kinds of speeds, it's not like I was intentionally trying to, my buddy and I did about 100 two ways together last summer and everytime we jumped the fall rate just picked up. The amount of speed and power we could move with at that speed, especially considering both of us had less than 200 jumps was impressive. As for four ways, I'm notorious for getting that fall rate cranked up, and a lot of the people I jump with can keep up, being in Colorado obviously helps as well, but even when I'm in the tunnel down in Eloy with Airspeed it feels like i'm punching it out just as much as any of my two ways back home. Kirk Verner will tell you himself he is a fall rate nazi, he only knows one speed and that's fast, and the majority of my coaching is from him so I've picked up the same traits. Plus you can't argue that a fast fall rate will help you on those blocks with vertical moves.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #18 June 6, 2006 jus a add a little something to what i posted, i've never claimed to be an expert at this game by any means, but while Colorado was frozen over this winter I hung up my rig and used my money to travel down to eloy every month and play in the tunnel with the AS crew, when I did a some 3 on 1 with em we had that air really crankin in there and all the moves just felt so much better than when I fall with slower people. I've also picked their brains for knowledge as much as humanly possible without doing the vulcan mind meld, and i'll bet if you asked they will all agree that there is no such thing as too fast when it comes to fall rate.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #19 June 6, 2006 ...but when Solly Williams was in Australia last year he said that Majik (and Airspeed if I remember correctly) were flying at sub-115mph speeds... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sd-slider 0 #20 June 6, 2006 QuoteMy pro track says i average 106mph . Can I borrow your Pro-Track? . . Anvil Brother #69 Sidelined with a 5mm C5-C6 herniated disk... Back2Back slammers and 40yr old fat guys don't mix! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #21 June 6, 2006 ...but when Solly Williams was in Australia last year he said that Majik (and Airspeed if I remember correctly) were flying at sub-115mph speeds... Quote I've got some more coaching with them this week, let me ask what they usually push in competition and get back to ya. Before I was just saying that when I'm doing 4 way in the tunnel with them I'm punchin it out pretty hard, much harder than I would be if I were only doin 115 in the sky. I know that sometimes when you really start crankin out points remembering the dive is the first thing in your mind, not thinking about arching harder so the fall rate tends to naturally slow down as you get focused more and more on the dive, so who knows maybe they do average around that at the bottom end of the dives, like I said, I'm far from being an expert at this game, but I have tried doing the vertical on a 17 with a slow fall rate, AND IT SUX!! fast be good!History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #22 June 6, 2006 QuoteBefore I was just saying that when I'm doing 4 way in the tunnel with them I'm punchin it out pretty hard, much harder than I would be if I were only doin 115 in the sky. Umm, you do know you're not usually wearing 8-10kg of rig in the tunnel? In my very limited tunnel experience I was arching much harder than I ever have in the sky. Quote...I have tried doing the vertical on a 17 with a slow fall rate, AND IT SUX!! fast be good! If you have IC going over, and OC as the centre of the compress, then good work getting down & out by the OC will make the IC's job easy at pretty much any fall rate. That said, you need a fall-rate which puts you in the middle of your range - if you're struggling to slow enough to build the top of the block, there's no way in hell you'll get the 'pop' you need to scoot on over. And I ain't no expert on this either, but that's been my experience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #23 June 6, 2006 Quote fall rate nazi RW is all about deflective momentum. The force available to you in the plane of the skydive varies with the square of the airspeed. For the same amount of body deflection, the faster you're falling, the more force is going to be available for translation and rotation. The limiting step here is the slowest person in the group. They must keep a comfortable box in order to be effective at RW.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites damion75 0 #24 June 6, 2006 Quote...but when Solly Williams was in Australia last year he said that Majik (and Airspeed if I remember correctly) were flying at sub-115mph speeds... That's what he told us last year - my team sit at around the 115-117 mph mark. 140? That would require a lot more burgers! *************** Not one shred of evidence supports the theory that life is serious - look at the platypus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #25 June 6, 2006 QuoteI decided to tuck my elbows in and put my legs closer together, i was amazed at the differance. Congratulations. You decided to present less body area rather than just try to arch 'EVEN HARDER'. This is a huge lesson than many never find, or if they are told to won't acknowledge. Your fall rate range has increased dramatically. Also, bringing your knees together will help you arch better through the hips which also helps with getting more top and bottom end range. Let the inside grippers just come in contact - try flying that way for a weekend. To keep from driving forward, do the natural things: bends the knees even more, continue to arch more through the hips and less through the chest, lift your head higher, put the hands a bit forward (but still keep the elbows narrow). If you go to the tunnel with some good coaches, you'll figure it all out VERY quickly. {{Since you said "tracking" and not just moving forward, you are likely dearching a little bit and not really arching through your hips - thus in a dive, so your fallrate increase could be more from a dive - be aware of what your legs are really doing - kness together, press the hips down, feet on butt. But you have the right idea in your head.}} More - I described the lower body, forgot the upper: Bring the elbows in to touch your rib cage, then, with all ten of your fingers touching your collarbones, point straight up with your forefingers and 'look' up to where you're pointing (obviously you should look, or else why would you be pointing there?) If you can't look up enough, then consider putting your hands out (in front, still very close together) a bit so you can lift your head more with your lower back muscles. Your torso blocks so much air, so the goal is to put the arms so they don't block any 'extra' air. That mean narrow, the rest you get with lifting the head up high - chin up, lift the skull high. (it's a mantis thing) ... 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TrickyDicky 0 #9 June 5, 2006 Just what I was thinking. Yes I know teams are now all about fast is better, but I thought the top flight were normally averaging only around 130? Are you doing your 4 way with 3 phantom slots GQ? UK Skydiver for all your UK skydiving needs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #10 June 5, 2006 GQ has learned to fall fast in order to get to the bevy of women waiting for him on the ground....lucky bastard. Andy, GQ does have a point about experience, though. I would add: 1. Try a tighter jumpsuit? 2. Tunnel time to get the tracking out of it 3. Can you say ARCH! 4. Learn mantiss 5. Weight belt?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #11 June 5, 2006 QuoteWhy exactly would you want to go 170 on your belly? Its handy for some more complicated hybrids. I've done a few no-hanger hybrids that way.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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kallend 2,148 #13 June 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhy exactly would you want to go 170 on your belly? Its handy for some more complicated hybrids. I've done a few no-hanger hybrids that way. OK, but I don't think he was referring to hybrids.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #14 June 5, 2006 Quote OK, but I don't think he was referring to hybrids. I realize that, but I wasn't answering his question, I was answering your question. Its nice to be able to do a very high speed on my belly, but I can still get down to the 110 range.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #15 June 5, 2006 QuoteI realize that, but I wasn't answering his question, I was answering your question. But the thread isn't about John's question.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #16 June 5, 2006 So what was the question? Oh yeah... Legs in, Andy! My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #17 June 6, 2006 GQ has learned to fall fast in order to get to the bevy of women waiting for him on the ground....lucky bastard. Quote finally someone who understands what it's like to be me To answer the question asked by Kallend though, when I was doing those jumps that were hitting those kinds of speeds, it's not like I was intentionally trying to, my buddy and I did about 100 two ways together last summer and everytime we jumped the fall rate just picked up. The amount of speed and power we could move with at that speed, especially considering both of us had less than 200 jumps was impressive. As for four ways, I'm notorious for getting that fall rate cranked up, and a lot of the people I jump with can keep up, being in Colorado obviously helps as well, but even when I'm in the tunnel down in Eloy with Airspeed it feels like i'm punching it out just as much as any of my two ways back home. Kirk Verner will tell you himself he is a fall rate nazi, he only knows one speed and that's fast, and the majority of my coaching is from him so I've picked up the same traits. Plus you can't argue that a fast fall rate will help you on those blocks with vertical moves.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #18 June 6, 2006 jus a add a little something to what i posted, i've never claimed to be an expert at this game by any means, but while Colorado was frozen over this winter I hung up my rig and used my money to travel down to eloy every month and play in the tunnel with the AS crew, when I did a some 3 on 1 with em we had that air really crankin in there and all the moves just felt so much better than when I fall with slower people. I've also picked their brains for knowledge as much as humanly possible without doing the vulcan mind meld, and i'll bet if you asked they will all agree that there is no such thing as too fast when it comes to fall rate.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #19 June 6, 2006 ...but when Solly Williams was in Australia last year he said that Majik (and Airspeed if I remember correctly) were flying at sub-115mph speeds... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sd-slider 0 #20 June 6, 2006 QuoteMy pro track says i average 106mph . Can I borrow your Pro-Track? . . Anvil Brother #69 Sidelined with a 5mm C5-C6 herniated disk... Back2Back slammers and 40yr old fat guys don't mix! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #21 June 6, 2006 ...but when Solly Williams was in Australia last year he said that Majik (and Airspeed if I remember correctly) were flying at sub-115mph speeds... Quote I've got some more coaching with them this week, let me ask what they usually push in competition and get back to ya. Before I was just saying that when I'm doing 4 way in the tunnel with them I'm punchin it out pretty hard, much harder than I would be if I were only doin 115 in the sky. I know that sometimes when you really start crankin out points remembering the dive is the first thing in your mind, not thinking about arching harder so the fall rate tends to naturally slow down as you get focused more and more on the dive, so who knows maybe they do average around that at the bottom end of the dives, like I said, I'm far from being an expert at this game, but I have tried doing the vertical on a 17 with a slow fall rate, AND IT SUX!! fast be good!History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #22 June 6, 2006 QuoteBefore I was just saying that when I'm doing 4 way in the tunnel with them I'm punchin it out pretty hard, much harder than I would be if I were only doin 115 in the sky. Umm, you do know you're not usually wearing 8-10kg of rig in the tunnel? In my very limited tunnel experience I was arching much harder than I ever have in the sky. Quote...I have tried doing the vertical on a 17 with a slow fall rate, AND IT SUX!! fast be good! If you have IC going over, and OC as the centre of the compress, then good work getting down & out by the OC will make the IC's job easy at pretty much any fall rate. That said, you need a fall-rate which puts you in the middle of your range - if you're struggling to slow enough to build the top of the block, there's no way in hell you'll get the 'pop' you need to scoot on over. And I ain't no expert on this either, but that's been my experience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #23 June 6, 2006 Quote fall rate nazi RW is all about deflective momentum. The force available to you in the plane of the skydive varies with the square of the airspeed. For the same amount of body deflection, the faster you're falling, the more force is going to be available for translation and rotation. The limiting step here is the slowest person in the group. They must keep a comfortable box in order to be effective at RW.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites damion75 0 #24 June 6, 2006 Quote...but when Solly Williams was in Australia last year he said that Majik (and Airspeed if I remember correctly) were flying at sub-115mph speeds... That's what he told us last year - my team sit at around the 115-117 mph mark. 140? That would require a lot more burgers! *************** Not one shred of evidence supports the theory that life is serious - look at the platypus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #25 June 6, 2006 QuoteI decided to tuck my elbows in and put my legs closer together, i was amazed at the differance. Congratulations. You decided to present less body area rather than just try to arch 'EVEN HARDER'. This is a huge lesson than many never find, or if they are told to won't acknowledge. Your fall rate range has increased dramatically. Also, bringing your knees together will help you arch better through the hips which also helps with getting more top and bottom end range. Let the inside grippers just come in contact - try flying that way for a weekend. To keep from driving forward, do the natural things: bends the knees even more, continue to arch more through the hips and less through the chest, lift your head higher, put the hands a bit forward (but still keep the elbows narrow). If you go to the tunnel with some good coaches, you'll figure it all out VERY quickly. {{Since you said "tracking" and not just moving forward, you are likely dearching a little bit and not really arching through your hips - thus in a dive, so your fallrate increase could be more from a dive - be aware of what your legs are really doing - kness together, press the hips down, feet on butt. But you have the right idea in your head.}} More - I described the lower body, forgot the upper: Bring the elbows in to touch your rib cage, then, with all ten of your fingers touching your collarbones, point straight up with your forefingers and 'look' up to where you're pointing (obviously you should look, or else why would you be pointing there?) If you can't look up enough, then consider putting your hands out (in front, still very close together) a bit so you can lift your head more with your lower back muscles. Your torso blocks so much air, so the goal is to put the arms so they don't block any 'extra' air. That mean narrow, the rest you get with lifting the head up high - chin up, lift the skull high. (it's a mantis thing) ... 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GQ_jumper 4 #18 June 6, 2006 jus a add a little something to what i posted, i've never claimed to be an expert at this game by any means, but while Colorado was frozen over this winter I hung up my rig and used my money to travel down to eloy every month and play in the tunnel with the AS crew, when I did a some 3 on 1 with em we had that air really crankin in there and all the moves just felt so much better than when I fall with slower people. I've also picked their brains for knowledge as much as humanly possible without doing the vulcan mind meld, and i'll bet if you asked they will all agree that there is no such thing as too fast when it comes to fall rate.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #19 June 6, 2006 ...but when Solly Williams was in Australia last year he said that Majik (and Airspeed if I remember correctly) were flying at sub-115mph speeds... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sd-slider 0 #20 June 6, 2006 QuoteMy pro track says i average 106mph . Can I borrow your Pro-Track? . . Anvil Brother #69 Sidelined with a 5mm C5-C6 herniated disk... Back2Back slammers and 40yr old fat guys don't mix! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #21 June 6, 2006 ...but when Solly Williams was in Australia last year he said that Majik (and Airspeed if I remember correctly) were flying at sub-115mph speeds... Quote I've got some more coaching with them this week, let me ask what they usually push in competition and get back to ya. Before I was just saying that when I'm doing 4 way in the tunnel with them I'm punchin it out pretty hard, much harder than I would be if I were only doin 115 in the sky. I know that sometimes when you really start crankin out points remembering the dive is the first thing in your mind, not thinking about arching harder so the fall rate tends to naturally slow down as you get focused more and more on the dive, so who knows maybe they do average around that at the bottom end of the dives, like I said, I'm far from being an expert at this game, but I have tried doing the vertical on a 17 with a slow fall rate, AND IT SUX!! fast be good!History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #22 June 6, 2006 QuoteBefore I was just saying that when I'm doing 4 way in the tunnel with them I'm punchin it out pretty hard, much harder than I would be if I were only doin 115 in the sky. Umm, you do know you're not usually wearing 8-10kg of rig in the tunnel? In my very limited tunnel experience I was arching much harder than I ever have in the sky. Quote...I have tried doing the vertical on a 17 with a slow fall rate, AND IT SUX!! fast be good! If you have IC going over, and OC as the centre of the compress, then good work getting down & out by the OC will make the IC's job easy at pretty much any fall rate. That said, you need a fall-rate which puts you in the middle of your range - if you're struggling to slow enough to build the top of the block, there's no way in hell you'll get the 'pop' you need to scoot on over. And I ain't no expert on this either, but that's been my experience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #23 June 6, 2006 Quote fall rate nazi RW is all about deflective momentum. The force available to you in the plane of the skydive varies with the square of the airspeed. For the same amount of body deflection, the faster you're falling, the more force is going to be available for translation and rotation. The limiting step here is the slowest person in the group. They must keep a comfortable box in order to be effective at RW.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites damion75 0 #24 June 6, 2006 Quote...but when Solly Williams was in Australia last year he said that Majik (and Airspeed if I remember correctly) were flying at sub-115mph speeds... That's what he told us last year - my team sit at around the 115-117 mph mark. 140? That would require a lot more burgers! *************** Not one shred of evidence supports the theory that life is serious - look at the platypus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #25 June 6, 2006 QuoteI decided to tuck my elbows in and put my legs closer together, i was amazed at the differance. Congratulations. You decided to present less body area rather than just try to arch 'EVEN HARDER'. This is a huge lesson than many never find, or if they are told to won't acknowledge. Your fall rate range has increased dramatically. Also, bringing your knees together will help you arch better through the hips which also helps with getting more top and bottom end range. Let the inside grippers just come in contact - try flying that way for a weekend. To keep from driving forward, do the natural things: bends the knees even more, continue to arch more through the hips and less through the chest, lift your head higher, put the hands a bit forward (but still keep the elbows narrow). If you go to the tunnel with some good coaches, you'll figure it all out VERY quickly. {{Since you said "tracking" and not just moving forward, you are likely dearching a little bit and not really arching through your hips - thus in a dive, so your fallrate increase could be more from a dive - be aware of what your legs are really doing - kness together, press the hips down, feet on butt. But you have the right idea in your head.}} More - I described the lower body, forgot the upper: Bring the elbows in to touch your rib cage, then, with all ten of your fingers touching your collarbones, point straight up with your forefingers and 'look' up to where you're pointing (obviously you should look, or else why would you be pointing there?) If you can't look up enough, then consider putting your hands out (in front, still very close together) a bit so you can lift your head more with your lower back muscles. Your torso blocks so much air, so the goal is to put the arms so they don't block any 'extra' air. That mean narrow, the rest you get with lifting the head up high - chin up, lift the skull high. (it's a mantis thing) ... 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bob.dino 1 #22 June 6, 2006 QuoteBefore I was just saying that when I'm doing 4 way in the tunnel with them I'm punchin it out pretty hard, much harder than I would be if I were only doin 115 in the sky. Umm, you do know you're not usually wearing 8-10kg of rig in the tunnel? In my very limited tunnel experience I was arching much harder than I ever have in the sky. Quote...I have tried doing the vertical on a 17 with a slow fall rate, AND IT SUX!! fast be good! If you have IC going over, and OC as the centre of the compress, then good work getting down & out by the OC will make the IC's job easy at pretty much any fall rate. That said, you need a fall-rate which puts you in the middle of your range - if you're struggling to slow enough to build the top of the block, there's no way in hell you'll get the 'pop' you need to scoot on over. And I ain't no expert on this either, but that's been my experience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #23 June 6, 2006 Quote fall rate nazi RW is all about deflective momentum. The force available to you in the plane of the skydive varies with the square of the airspeed. For the same amount of body deflection, the faster you're falling, the more force is going to be available for translation and rotation. The limiting step here is the slowest person in the group. They must keep a comfortable box in order to be effective at RW.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
damion75 0 #24 June 6, 2006 Quote...but when Solly Williams was in Australia last year he said that Majik (and Airspeed if I remember correctly) were flying at sub-115mph speeds... That's what he told us last year - my team sit at around the 115-117 mph mark. 140? That would require a lot more burgers! *************** Not one shred of evidence supports the theory that life is serious - look at the platypus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #25 June 6, 2006 QuoteI decided to tuck my elbows in and put my legs closer together, i was amazed at the differance. Congratulations. You decided to present less body area rather than just try to arch 'EVEN HARDER'. This is a huge lesson than many never find, or if they are told to won't acknowledge. Your fall rate range has increased dramatically. Also, bringing your knees together will help you arch better through the hips which also helps with getting more top and bottom end range. Let the inside grippers just come in contact - try flying that way for a weekend. To keep from driving forward, do the natural things: bends the knees even more, continue to arch more through the hips and less through the chest, lift your head higher, put the hands a bit forward (but still keep the elbows narrow). If you go to the tunnel with some good coaches, you'll figure it all out VERY quickly. {{Since you said "tracking" and not just moving forward, you are likely dearching a little bit and not really arching through your hips - thus in a dive, so your fallrate increase could be more from a dive - be aware of what your legs are really doing - kness together, press the hips down, feet on butt. But you have the right idea in your head.}} More - I described the lower body, forgot the upper: Bring the elbows in to touch your rib cage, then, with all ten of your fingers touching your collarbones, point straight up with your forefingers and 'look' up to where you're pointing (obviously you should look, or else why would you be pointing there?) If you can't look up enough, then consider putting your hands out (in front, still very close together) a bit so you can lift your head more with your lower back muscles. Your torso blocks so much air, so the goal is to put the arms so they don't block any 'extra' air. That mean narrow, the rest you get with lifting the head up high - chin up, lift the skull high. (it's a mantis thing) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
