jtval 0 #1 February 27, 2007 3.5 years ago I had my 1st chop on sunday I had my 2nd. (EDIT)On Jump # 960 Relatively uneventful from start to end. Filming tandem. Tm waves off I flip to my back and track away while filming their opening. Turn over wave off and pull. "WTF" All I see is a knotted mess. I opened approx at 3000FT. I give it a brake release becasue I wanted to see if it was just the brake line but it was a complete step through. I started a slow right hand turn. **Attempted chop** Hard pull, so I pulled harder. **Chopped** as I was 3/4 of the way back to belly I pulled rmy reserve. and the bridal hit me in the face. I short "muther fucka" went by as it opened.( I thought I may have seen the start of a reserve horseshoe) All this went by in a short time. I was open and in the saddle again by 2200ft I took about 500 feet to decide if I wanted to land with my main or film the tandem landing. I decided it was safer to land in at the DZ and film the tandem. everything was retrieved except my reserve handle. It fell out of my jump suit sometime after stuffing it and before landing. ***note: I did not pack my main. I paid a packer who has packed for me hundreds of times before and about 5 times since. I don't really know how it was packed with a step through but it was and those are the chances you take when you pay a packer. (edit)I have it on video. Eventually I may grab a frame and post it.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #2 February 28, 2007 2 horseshoes in 2 mals would of been really rough going and i think you could of earnt a nickname, was never gonna happen Nice one Edit: Are you jumping RSL? I saw on your last mal you didnt have one.1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #3 February 28, 2007 What do you think caused the hard cutaway-pull? On my last chop, I never had to 'stow' my handles. I just grabbed my toggles through the handles (I have a small D-handle and loop cutaway).People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #4 February 28, 2007 Andy Copeland Quote2 horseshoes in 2 mals would of been really rough going and i think you could of earnt a nickname, was never gonna happen Nice one Edit: Are you jumping RSL? I saw on your last mal you didnt have one. Yea If I had a reserve horseshoe and lived I amy have had to walk away at that piont. (at least for a while) NO RSL. different rig than my first but same set up No RSL No AAD SUNDEVIL QuoteWhat do you think caused the hard cutaway-pull? I attribute it to the slow spin and not having hard housings on this rig. it wasn't anything incredible but it cost me a second or 2. luckily I had time on my side. **NOTE: I have cutaway this main on the ground a few times. in fact it was a few weeks ago I switch mains so PDS could jump it. I jsut haven't cut it away while UNDER the canopy.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #5 February 28, 2007 oh, I also want to add that I go over my EP's EVERY JUMP. I start with my main deployment. cutaway, then reserve. when I put my helmet on I start with my main deployment, HELMET cutaway then cutaway then reserve. Luckily, I didnt need to cutaway my helmetMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mbondvegas 0 #6 March 7, 2007 JT- You have to post a screen grab of the mal and the reserve bridle hitting your hand, that was wicked footage to watch. Congrats on a successful chop! That lineover/stepthrough was nasty looking!!!! I know that hard pull feeling too! Hard housings are mandatory for me now.- - - I am not afraid of tomorrow, for I have seen yesterday and I love today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #7 March 7, 2007 QuoteI know that hard pull feeling too! Hard housings are mandatory for me now. IMO they should be for everyone. Older gear should be retrofitted. Newer jumpers buying older gear for affordability's sake would do well to heed this lesson. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #8 March 7, 2007 well, IMO I agree with YO (your opinion) Mike, I'll get to it. I just bought a 500gb storage drive and I am moving alot of sh-tuff around.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #9 January 31, 2008 In reply to this thread I siad I'd upload a shot of this malfunction In the first you can see that the step through was as if I did a cart wheel through one set of lines. MOST step throughs are configured as if you did a front/back flip through your lines. (Does that make sense?) Click on my video link to view the view. It'll be uploaded in a few minutes. BTW- all of this happened in 1000ft. the first alarm you hear is my 3500ft alarm. the alram you hear at the end in my 2500 ft alarm.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #10 January 31, 2008 BTW- I decided to have hard cutaway housings on my risers. Better to have and not need than to need and not have.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheSecret 0 #11 January 31, 2008 Quote NO RSL. different rig than my first but same set up No RSL No AADQuote I have seen posts from camera guys why they don't use and RSL. But I was wondering why no AAD? Is it a swoop thing? Thanks for the good posts lots of good info.Life is good Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #12 January 31, 2008 Quote I have seen posts from camera guys why they don't use and RSL. But I was wondering why no AAD? Is it a swoop thing? Thanks for the good posts lots of good info. Not in my case. My first Reserve ride was during a time when mjy cypress batteries were on order. I made the choice to have the reserve repacked without the cypress. It just so happened that I had my 1st reserve ride during that time. My 2nd was on my 2nd rig which doesn't have an AAD. I would like an AAD in my rigs in the event that I get knocked unconscious, somehow but in any other situation I plan on saving my own butt. I dont do crazy big ways and I haven't done much head down stuff (with my non cypress rig) When I am in the air with A LOT of people or doing HD I wear my AAD rig.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bolas 5 #13 January 31, 2008 That's way more than just a stepthrough. Can't figure out how the brake line is not part of the line twist unless it came out of the bag like that. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #14 January 31, 2008 I wasn't actually done by stepping through the lines. It was done by picking the rig up through the lines. When I put the rig in to be packed I set the main down and leave the daisy-chained lines under the container. It's my belief that someone moved the rig so they could use the area (i pile it out of the way so the packer can get to it) but I believe it was twisted through the lines as if I did a cart wheel through one of the left risers.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #15 March 18, 2008 Quote That's way more than just a stepthrough. Can't figure out how the brake line is not part of the line twist unless it came out of the bag like that. I finally uploaded the the video You can see a bit more in the video. It was a nasty mess.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #16 March 18, 2008 Quote Quote That's way more than just a stepthrough. Can't figure out how the brake line is not part of the line twist unless it came out of the bag like that. I finally uploaded the the video You can see a bit more in the video. It was a nasty mess. how does someone not pick that up when packing?You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ficus 0 #17 March 19, 2008 Quote I finally uploaded the the video You can see a bit more in the video. It was a nasty mess. No idea how someone managed to pack that without noticing. I cracked up when you looked up and said "what the..." Glad you're okay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sletzer 3 #18 March 21, 2008 You're going to have to ask the packers to stop crocheting your lines during your packjobs BTW, that's scary shit. Easy to tell pretty fast that isn't gonna just work itself out... P.S. Crotchet is like knitting. It has nothing to do with anyone's crotch I will be kissing hands and shaking babies all afternoon. Thanks for all your support! *bows* SCS #8251 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #19 March 24, 2008 Quote how does someone not pick that up when packing? I've been wondering the same thing. Quote No idea how someone managed to pack that without noticing. I cracked up when you looked up and said "what the..." Glad you're okay. Ficus, Thanks. Yea you can totally hear my first honest expression. "WTF?" Quote You're going to have to ask the packers to stop crocheting your lines during your packjobs BTW, that's scary shit. Easy to tell pretty fast that isn't gonna just work itself out... P.S. Crotchet is like knitting. It has nothing to do with anyone's crotch I'm glad you put that P.S. in because I was confused. it was definitely a weave jobMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #20 March 24, 2008 QuoteBTW- I decided to have hard cutaway housings on my risers. Better to have and not need than to need and not have. Update. I went to have the hard housings installed and realized that I lready had them. I bought the rig from a buddy whose original risers didnt have them. I forgot that the new risers were installed. (this is the 3rd time I tried to have the hard housing installed. My brain keeps going back to those old risers. I didn't like them)My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Auryn 0 #21 March 29, 2008 I've opened into a simple step through (straight through the middle of the line groups).. and I can understand that type of step through being packed; the only way to tell is the twist in the risers. However, your step through is QUITE UNIQUE :) that is a big nasty mess of a step through that I could not imagine ANYONE packing into a packjob. It looks like a multiple step through, the type caused by moving a rig and having it flip sideways through line groups. (which, as a packer, I've seen and caused plenty of times, but never packed) I landed mine; your's, not so much. GOOD WTF!!! :) great reaction time and decision making. QuoteQuote I finally uploaded the the video You can see a bit more in the video. It was a nasty mess. No idea how someone managed to pack that without noticing. I cracked up when you looked up and said "what the..." Glad you're okay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yarpos 4 #22 March 29, 2008 QuoteI've opened into a simple step through (straight through the middle of the line groups).. and I can understand that type of step through being packed; the only way to tell is the twist in the risers. A step through should be picked up in a simple line check shouldnt it? 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jtval 0 #12 January 31, 2008 Quote I have seen posts from camera guys why they don't use and RSL. But I was wondering why no AAD? Is it a swoop thing? Thanks for the good posts lots of good info. Not in my case. My first Reserve ride was during a time when mjy cypress batteries were on order. I made the choice to have the reserve repacked without the cypress. It just so happened that I had my 1st reserve ride during that time. My 2nd was on my 2nd rig which doesn't have an AAD. I would like an AAD in my rigs in the event that I get knocked unconscious, somehow but in any other situation I plan on saving my own butt. I dont do crazy big ways and I haven't done much head down stuff (with my non cypress rig) When I am in the air with A LOT of people or doing HD I wear my AAD rig.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #13 January 31, 2008 That's way more than just a stepthrough. Can't figure out how the brake line is not part of the line twist unless it came out of the bag like that. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #14 January 31, 2008 I wasn't actually done by stepping through the lines. It was done by picking the rig up through the lines. When I put the rig in to be packed I set the main down and leave the daisy-chained lines under the container. It's my belief that someone moved the rig so they could use the area (i pile it out of the way so the packer can get to it) but I believe it was twisted through the lines as if I did a cart wheel through one of the left risers.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #15 March 18, 2008 Quote That's way more than just a stepthrough. Can't figure out how the brake line is not part of the line twist unless it came out of the bag like that. I finally uploaded the the video You can see a bit more in the video. It was a nasty mess.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #16 March 18, 2008 Quote Quote That's way more than just a stepthrough. Can't figure out how the brake line is not part of the line twist unless it came out of the bag like that. I finally uploaded the the video You can see a bit more in the video. It was a nasty mess. how does someone not pick that up when packing?You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ficus 0 #17 March 19, 2008 Quote I finally uploaded the the video You can see a bit more in the video. It was a nasty mess. No idea how someone managed to pack that without noticing. I cracked up when you looked up and said "what the..." Glad you're okay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sletzer 3 #18 March 21, 2008 You're going to have to ask the packers to stop crocheting your lines during your packjobs BTW, that's scary shit. Easy to tell pretty fast that isn't gonna just work itself out... P.S. Crotchet is like knitting. It has nothing to do with anyone's crotch I will be kissing hands and shaking babies all afternoon. Thanks for all your support! *bows* SCS #8251 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #19 March 24, 2008 Quote how does someone not pick that up when packing? I've been wondering the same thing. Quote No idea how someone managed to pack that without noticing. I cracked up when you looked up and said "what the..." Glad you're okay. Ficus, Thanks. Yea you can totally hear my first honest expression. "WTF?" Quote You're going to have to ask the packers to stop crocheting your lines during your packjobs BTW, that's scary shit. Easy to tell pretty fast that isn't gonna just work itself out... P.S. Crotchet is like knitting. It has nothing to do with anyone's crotch I'm glad you put that P.S. in because I was confused. it was definitely a weave jobMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #20 March 24, 2008 QuoteBTW- I decided to have hard cutaway housings on my risers. Better to have and not need than to need and not have. Update. I went to have the hard housings installed and realized that I lready had them. I bought the rig from a buddy whose original risers didnt have them. I forgot that the new risers were installed. (this is the 3rd time I tried to have the hard housing installed. My brain keeps going back to those old risers. I didn't like them)My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auryn 0 #21 March 29, 2008 I've opened into a simple step through (straight through the middle of the line groups).. and I can understand that type of step through being packed; the only way to tell is the twist in the risers. However, your step through is QUITE UNIQUE :) that is a big nasty mess of a step through that I could not imagine ANYONE packing into a packjob. It looks like a multiple step through, the type caused by moving a rig and having it flip sideways through line groups. (which, as a packer, I've seen and caused plenty of times, but never packed) I landed mine; your's, not so much. GOOD WTF!!! :) great reaction time and decision making. QuoteQuote I finally uploaded the the video You can see a bit more in the video. It was a nasty mess. No idea how someone managed to pack that without noticing. I cracked up when you looked up and said "what the..." Glad you're okay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yarpos 4 #22 March 29, 2008 QuoteI've opened into a simple step through (straight through the middle of the line groups).. and I can understand that type of step through being packed; the only way to tell is the twist in the risers. A step through should be picked up in a simple line check shouldnt it? Packing a step through should be completly avoidable, and is just a symptom of being slack or not trained properly ... which has consequencesregards, Steve the older I get...the better I was Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #23 April 3, 2008 Auryn has a point. It is probably caused on opening. I would guess there was some slack line and the bag tumbled through it and gave me that mess. the packer as I have stated had packed for me 100's of times. I cant imagine that she would not see that. I also made her pack for me after that.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
