freeflyit 0 #1 June 23, 2006 Man, I got to say that some dropzones really suck. Just picture this..ok u finally get there, get your gear and register for a load. There's about 20 "skydivers" there and your name is the only one on the board for about an hour and a half! Why isn't anyone jumping?..."Well, there was a bunch of tandems this mourning so everyone is tired"...I couldn't believe this lame-ass excuse at 4pm in the afternoon on the most beautiful day (with puffy clouds and tempetarure above 25 celcius). I can't even think of the right comment to say in regards to this. Just had to put it out there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #2 June 23, 2006 "The early bird catches the worm." Weekends I'm up at 06h00 and at the DZ by 07h00. By 16h00 I've done 10 or more dives, my students are debriefed and my gear is packed. "If you snooze - you lose." If you need 20 people to get a load up - it's prudent to get there when other people are jumping. "If you're not fast - you're last." So some DZ's do suck. Especially when you get there late and everyone else there has done a bunch of dives and are done. "He who hesitates is lost." "Strike while the iron is hot." etc, etc, etc. It's not always other people's fault. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #3 June 23, 2006 That's just the name of the game at some places. Unless you're talking about a DZ known for lots of weekday fun jumping, the schedule is going to follow the tandem demands. Next time call ahead and find out when the jumping is happening. Also, you'd do better to bring some people. That way you can at least get a 182 into the air. Heck, with 20 people sitting around you should have at least talked three into making a jump."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McG 0 #4 June 23, 2006 Quote"The early bird catches the worm." - "The early worm gets catched" - "If you snooze - you lose." - "If you booze - you snooze" - "If you're not fast - you're last." - "If you're last - you're late" - etc, etc, etc. It's not always other people's fault. - Once I thought I made a mistake, but luckily i was wrong. t I hate to admit but this comment was so true. I would like to blame others everytime things do not go the way I wanted. Usually It's me who sucks. **>If God meant for man to fly, He´d have given him much more money. McG, DZ EFVA dictator Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #5 June 23, 2006 QuoteMan, I got to say that some dropzones really suck. Just picture this..ok u finally get there, get your gear and register for a load. There's about 20 "skydivers" there and your name is the only one on the board for about an hour and a half! Why isn't anyone jumping?..."Well, there was a bunch of tandems this mourning so everyone is tired"...I couldn't believe this lame-ass excuse at 4pm in the afternoon on the most beautiful day (with puffy clouds and tempetarure above 25 celcius). I can't even think of the right comment to say in regards to this. Just had to put it out there. That wouldn't happen at my DZ. We never have 20 people there at the same time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pincheck 0 #6 June 23, 2006 QuoteThat wouldn't happen at my DZ. We never have 20 people there at the same time. had to do a double take there just incaseyou where jumping at my dz Billy-Sonic Haggis Flickr-Fun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyit 0 #7 June 23, 2006 And that's fine if you live your life revolving around cliches. Plus, a real skydiver goes dawn till dark anyday. Oh,,and they were junping cessnas 205 so we didn't need 20 people,,only 5. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #8 June 23, 2006 Maybe they don't like you? Maybe your one with the really rank assfarts and you stink up the whole plane and no one wants to ride in da plane with you anymore, or it could just be you have bad breath. Maybe you have an ugly rig, hell maybe your just ugly over all. Maybe there was rare-a-fide air molecules that afternoon causing canopies to suddenly dive at the ground and have no flair power so people didn't want to take a chance. But I could be wrong, it may be all of the above. ~you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #9 June 23, 2006 Quotea real skydiver goes dawn till dark anyday. I always listen to 96-jump wonders when they tell 4880-jump veterans all about "real skydivers". First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nbblood 0 #10 June 23, 2006 QuoteQuotea real skydiver goes dawn till dark anyday. I always listen to 96-jump wonders when they tell 4880-jump veterans all about "real skydivers". Damn, beat me to it. But if real skydivers go dawn to dark, where were you in the morning when the loads were flying?Blues, Nathan If you wait 'til the last minute, it'll only take a minute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #11 June 23, 2006 QuoteQuotea real skydiver goes dawn till dark anyday. I always listen to 96-jump wonders when they tell 4880-jump veterans all about "real skydivers". Tonto's a fake... We all know that... But back to the point: Small DZ with 1 plane and students: show up early to beat the IAD's who need to take courses. If they atsy busy all the time with tandems, and dont fit in the regular jumpers: talk to the DZO, see if he wants to change things, if not, jump somewhere else.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fast 0 #12 June 23, 2006 Some people do jump dawn to dark. I am one of them. That doesn't mean everyone can or will though. I jump all morning / early afternoon as staff then fun jump the rest of the day. Lately its been harder and harder to keep people motivated and jumping. Why? Well for one, its fuckin expensive. With a PAC flying we turn loads fast and people run out of money by 2 in the afternoon. General decline of participation that I keep seeing people talk about is showing true at my DZ. Towards the end of the day everyone is looking around and asking where the fuck everyone is... well, I think they just don't skydive anymore. If would be nice if the economy would take a turn for the better. Fucking gas prices are owning our ability to jump.~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #13 June 23, 2006 I love jumping dawn to dusk. I love it when you are wondering if it will be dark under canopy while manifesting. I dont do this anymore though cause with the turbines running you get your jumps alot faster. I get to the DZ no later than 7am on weekends, first drop does not happen till 9:30 now a days though cause there is nobody there. Last load happens way before sunset now in summer cause we have done our jumps. Shame, best part of the day was dawn and dusk. i will do 5 jumps each saturday and another 5 on sunday. If i could afford more i would but i live on Kiwi dollar at a british dropzone so i am spending at least $400 US/$600NZ dollars a weekend. That gets me 10 jumps a weekend, in New Zealand where i use to jump it would get me 30 and i would get higher. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pincheck 0 #14 June 23, 2006 QuoteBut back to the point: Small DZ with 1 plane and students: show up early to beat the IAD's who need to take courses. If they atsy busy all the time with tandems, and dont fit in the regular jumpers: talk to the DZO, see if he wants to change things, if not, jump somewhere else. that only works Remi if you have an abundance of dropzones.There are only really 2 in Scotland no turbines.Its something like a 6 hour drive to the nearest dz down in England, that and the price of fuel in he Uk kills that for a regular weekend. Billy-Sonic Haggis Flickr-Fun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #15 June 23, 2006 I know, but even then there are options. When we jumped at Langar, we had regular who actually came down from Scotland. Not every weekend of course, but often enough. The original poster lists Ottawa has home. He/she has options in the 2-3 hour driving range.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pincheck 0 #16 June 23, 2006 true enough it may be an option to perhaps travel farther but not jump quite as often. Billy-Sonic Haggis Flickr-Fun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyit 0 #17 June 23, 2006 U know what? Everyone starts somewhere and I appreciate the experience. But what the hell are you saying? just cuz I'm shy of a hundred I have no idea what I'm talking about. It's stuff like that, that holds this sport back. Old guys that think they know everything and don't allow anyone to speak their mind. The new generation of skydivers is a hell of a lot better then the last. The guys I started jumping with are also many-thousand wonders and they go all day. Plus,, that comments about y wasn't I there in the mourning? It's not every mourning I can get to a dropzone....and why would you run a dropzone that doesn't drop? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WatchYourStep 0 #18 June 23, 2006 Quote But if real skydivers go dawn to dark, where were you in the morning when the loads were flying? I'd call that a zinger. ZING! "You start off your skydiving career with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience up before your bag of luck runs out." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyit 0 #19 June 23, 2006 Are you saing this from personal experience? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #20 June 23, 2006 QuoteI always listen to 96-jump wonders when they tell 4880-jump veterans all about "real skydivers". Tonto is a real skydiver????? Oh wait.. yeah I have seen him jump Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #21 June 23, 2006 Budy: you seriously need to get a thicker skin. No one came down on you in this thread.. But: Quotejust cuz I'm shy of a hundred I have no idea what I'm talking about. No... You made a comment on an internet forum, and you got comments back. This is why you posted right? QuoteOld guys that think they know everything and don't allow anyone to speak their mind. Did Tonto deleted a post of yours? I know I didnt, so how have you been stoped to speak your mind? You ARE giving you feedback and options. QuoteThe new generation of skydivers is a hell of a lot better then the last. Hopefully, the sport does improve over time! But that being said, We all are pretty much crap (you and me included) compare to the best from either generation. (PS: I'm only 35.. That may be old in your book, but I know a few current 40 year old + world record holders and world champions, and no, they arent old either ) Quoteand why would you run a dropzone that doesn't drop? If its a club, and the club members dont want to jump, then ist their call! If its a business, and only 1 person wanted to jump, then I wouldnt waste the fuel for $35CDN either. And as I said, if thct DZ sucks so much, go somewhere else.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #22 June 23, 2006 I remember the exact thing happened to me when I had around 100 jumps at a very large DZ when I was going there for the first time, sure I was disappointed but skydiving as a fulltime vocation has developed my understanding of what it is like for the working skydiver. I am sorry you couldn’t make a jump but try to think of what it is like for the fulltime instructors. It is not easy to skydive for a living; just the finical burden alone is enough to make a skydiver be careful about spending what little money we make on sport jumps and after being in the sport for many years and nursing bodies that have weathered the storm many of us really have to save ourselves for working jumps where we have to be capable of taking care of our students safely. So even though some of us would like to skydive sun up to sun down everyday, for many of us our pocket books and bodies do not leave us the resources we need to hold the course for the entire season unless we are smart about it and pace ourselves. I sincerely feel bad that you couldn’t get into the air, but I am just trying to illustrate what it is like on our side of the fence. There have been many times when I got on a load just to make it fly when it was a sacrifice for me to do so in terms of my available resources but we cannot always do that. And that DZ I was talking about when I started this volley of dialogue, I work there now and whenever there is a situation like this and I just don’t have what it takes in terms of money and a healthy body I really do feel bad that I cannot always get on a weekday load to help it fly, but it simply is not always possible. Gravity will be working tomorrow; there will be many opportunities to make skydives in the future so hang in there and try to take disappointments in life with a perspective that things will not always go your way. I think it is called acceptance.Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #23 June 23, 2006 NO, I have NEVER had a problem gettin a cessna load in the air when there is 20 jumpers at the dz, EVER! But I did have a run in with those rare-a-fide air molecules once. ~you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #24 June 23, 2006 QuoteOld guys that think they know everything and don't allow anyone to speak their mind. The new generation of skydivers is a hell of a lot better then the last. I remember myself saying some sort of crap like that when I had 100-ish jumps. I've seen wisened up and realized how full of shit I was. QuotePlus,, that comments about y wasn't I there in the mourning? It's not every mourning I can get to a dropzone....and why would you run a dropzone that doesn't drop? In a few years, after you've quit your job and all you do is work on a DZ we'll see what you say about this thread. For 3 years all I did was work at the DZ and I've got to tell you, if there wasn't something cool going on there were many days it was hard to get motivated to do a 11-th or 12-th jump after doing 9 or 10 tandems in the summer. If I had another tandem I'd do it, otherwise all I wanted was the coolness of the evening and a beer. Someday you might have the experience in the sport to get that. Quotewhy would you run a dropzone that doesn't drop? The DZ already made his/her money that day by running tandems. If you think that he/she makes money beyond a buck or two, from your cheap lift ticket, you're really mistaken. With an attitude like the one you're showing here, I can see why folks wouldn't be motivated to fill the load just so you could jump. Hopefully you'll figure it out, I had the same attitude when I was very young in the sport. Now I've got enough jumps and time in the sport to have a better idea of what I do and especially what I don't know.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #25 June 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteOld guys that think they know everything and don't allow anyone to speak their mind. The new generation of skydivers is a hell of a lot better then the last. I remember myself saying some sort of crap like that when I had 100-ish jumps. Me too... Oh my god, I have become an old-timer... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
