Kimblair13 0 #1 July 29, 2004 the other day i was doing a 4 way tracking dive. exit was un-eventful. exit from 10K. about 4,000 feet into the dive i notice a friend pointing at another and then him tracking away. a riser flap had come un-done along with about a foot of steering line and toggle. just danglin behind him. 4th jumper did not notice what was going on so was still tracking with the toggle boy. i watch him pull around 3 after getting clear of the 4th jumper with a pretty crazy opening and hella bad line twists. he did not cutaway and kicked out pretty low. he landed fine and was just pretty shookin up. just thought i'd share. oh yeah jumper had a quasar II with an alpha 104 main. i've seen those riser flaps come un-done before but never toggle out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #2 July 29, 2004 This is one reason I like rigs with secondary riser covers.....---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cacophony 0 #3 July 29, 2004 That sucks. I assume the person you are describing was tracking belly to earth? Gotta love those loose brake lines. I've had a few unstowed brake lines this year. Good thing I only load my canopy at 1.4!! Does this person stow their excess line or just leave it hang? I sounds like the excess was snagged on something and pulled the brake line out. A foot is a bit more than if the toggle was stowed properly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #4 July 29, 2004 Besides the excess getting snagged and unstowing the toggle, the toggle itself could have moved and unstowed. I've jumped / packed some rigs where the toggles are supposed to be velcroed down, but the velcro was totally weak, and the "nose" of the toggle wasn't retained by anything. It always seemed like a brake fire on opening waiting to happen.* If the toggle got out of the container and into the air during freefall, I could see it unstowing itself and joining my formation big-time. (* brake fires didn't repeatedly happen, so clearly I was just being a worrywort. But I still like my toggles to be retained. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cderham 0 #5 July 29, 2004 I had a brake line come out in Head down. I jump a Vector 3 w/tru-loc toggles. I was at Rantoul when it happened. Took it right to relative workshop looking for an explaination but they were as baffled as I was. I had to chop due to spin after opening. Brake line was wraped half way up lines and I couldn't get my Stilleto to fly right. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewClearSports 0 #6 July 31, 2004 I also had this happen to me when flying head down. I do not fault my Wings Container as my freefly partner that was just learning head down at the time and I only jumped with once before gripped the top of my rig and pulled the flap open as well as much of my risers out. At about 6000 ft I noticed my toggle bouncing off my foot, I broke off, slowed down went to my belly and dumped. It opened into a wild spin (Cobalt 95 2:1 WL) and without hesitation I cut away (My 1 and only cutaway 600+ jumps at that time) I was under my reserve at 4500 ft. I was able to follow my main, but the freebag took 2 more days to find. My lesson learned, I now tell people to NOT grip my container, but rather my suit. I also started pushing my risers way down to the very bottom of the flaps after that incedent, but DON'T DO THIS! I then had frequent line twists because of the risers catching the corners of the reserve on deployment. If you have a good container, then all you have to do is have people keep their hands off it and you will be fine. Also a good idea to check your flaps before you exit along with your pin check! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
