shunkka 0 #1 August 10, 2004 can tracking "save" any uncontrolled moves in air i mean if u r in a flat spin or other "f#C@...ing situation can a good track save and stop ur uncontrolled moves? any instructors out there teach their students to track when they are in this kind of trouble? ------------------------- "jump, have fun, pull" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 August 10, 2004 Arching and relaxing fixed just about everything. Tracking fixes a tandem sidespin after it starts. By the time someone becomes a TI, I'm sure they've figured out how to arch and relax in the air, though, so its definately a special case.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shunkka 0 #3 August 10, 2004 yes arching/relax is one of the best way to resolve but when newbies are unsymetrical in their body position and keep their unsymetrical body position can relaxing/arching resolve it? ------------------------- "jump, have fun, pull" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #4 August 10, 2004 Quoteyes arching/relax is one of the best way to resolve but when newbies are unsymetrical in their body position and keep their unsymetrical body position can relaxing/arching resolve it? They're not really relaxing if they maintain that asymmetry, but of course knowing that doesn't solve the problem. Getting us to "relax" on command ican be futile. tracking may focus that rigidness into a working solution, but I don't know that it solves all the situations. I do recall in some of my early L4s being able to settle the instability after trying to turn right and forward to the JM by just going back to the arch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tspillers 0 #5 August 10, 2004 Tracking (or Delta) has been taught to fix uncotrolled turns. However, it can be hard to determine what is causing the turn. It is possible to still have the turn and now you delta in a spiral turn or flip over. I like to teach know altidtude, arch (box) and relax, check arms, check legs. I compare it to riding a bicycle. If you start to fall right, you don't think lean left, you just do it. Relaxing will self correct many of the issues. Every situation is different and that is why we have instructors and coaches to watch and help. Some students have back problems, prior broken legs, hips, etc that may require them to have a not so symmetrical body position to compensate for a problem in order to burn a whole. The first thing to teach is altitude awareness in hopes that a student (or anyone) doesn't get so wrapped up in fixing the problem that they bust their planned deployment altitude. Does this help? Is this what you were asking for? Todd I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #6 August 11, 2004 >i mean if u r in a flat spin or other "f#C@...ing situation can a good > track save and stop ur uncontrolled moves? I don't recommend this. People spin because their body is asymmetric; they are not matching arms to arms etc. Adding another task to do at that point is counterproductive; the task they should perform is to fix the spin by fixing their body position. If it becomes dangerously fast or disorienting they can always pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
